A Letter to Graves
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The republicans that Jon pines for, are the Northeast moderates. Finacially conservative, somewhat socially liberal. For the most part, those guys are dead nationally.
Since the time of Reagan, the Republicans have morphed into less of a white collar only party and now count a lot of socially and fiscally conservative blue collar people within their ranks. The genius of Trump, is the ability to bring blue collar people of all races and creeds into the party. His down fall is suburban, college educated women.
Go back and look at policies over time. I think you'll find Trump is not that far off of JFK. Except for the war in the Sandbox, Bush wasn't that far off of JFK.
The Demonrats have moved a "fur piece" from where they were in the 50's and 60's. Hell, they've moved to the Left of Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton.
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Nice to see both Jon and Ax are wallowing in ignorance this morning. Not that either one of them would vote for a Republican, unless the democrat was a child molester, and I ain't sure about Ax on that one.
@Jolly said in A Letter to Graves:
Nice to see both Jon and Ax are wallowing in ignorance this morning. Not that either one of them would vote for a Republican, unless the democrat was a child molester, and I ain't sure about Ax on that one.
Jon would throw his vote away on a third party in that case. He won’t vote GOP ever again in any circumstance.
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@Jon said in A Letter to Graves:
I’ve voted for at least one GOP candidate in every election in the last 10 years.
Sorry I wasn't as specific as I should have been. I meant in the presidential election, and no, I won't be wrong about that, and you won't be proving me wrong about that.
I should note that if conservatism becomes the socially advantageous ideology, you will be all in on it, but that won't be happening in any of our lifetimes.
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I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
Just as I voted for Sherrod Brown over the cardboard boob the Ohio GOP put up against him.
This labeling of who is a true believer on either side goes nowhere but further polarization.
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I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
Just as I voted for Sherrod Brown over the cardboard boob the Ohio GOP put up against him.
This labeling of who is a true believer on either side goes nowhere but further polarization.
@Mik said in A Letter to Graves:
I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
And I think you're not understanding the nuances of my point. People aren't born tribal, and cultures aren't created with huge status entanglements with which presidential candidate one supports. Donald Trump ripped Jon's brain out of his head, curb stomped it, and put it back rather haphazardly. Jon shares that psychological destruction at the hands of the orange man, with millions of others. I never claimed he was born captured and socially obligated to hate Republicans. I am claiming his GOP hatred will be permanent, unless the culture changes, and it becomes safe to claim fellowship with conservative ideology.
Education is extremely important.
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@Mik said in A Letter to Graves:
I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
And I think you're not understanding the nuances of my point. People aren't born tribal, and cultures aren't created with huge status entanglements with which presidential candidate one supports. Donald Trump ripped Jon's brain out of his head, curb stomped it, and put it back rather haphazardly. Jon shares that psychological destruction at the hands of the orange man, with millions of others. I never claimed he was born captured and socially obligated to hate Republicans. I am claiming his GOP hatred will be permanent, unless the culture changes, and it becomes safe to claim fellowship with conservative ideology.
@Horace said in A Letter to Graves:
@Mik said in A Letter to Graves:
I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
And I think you're not understanding the nuances of my point. People aren't born tribal, and cultures aren't created with huge status entanglements with which presidential candidate one supports. Donald Trump ripped Jon's brain out of his head, curb stomped it, and put it back rather haphazardly. Jon shares that psychological destruction at the hands of the orange man, with millions of others. I never claimed he was born captured and socially obligated to hate Republicans. I am claiming his GOP hatred will be permanent, unless the culture changes, and it becomes safe to claim fellowship with conservative ideology.
That's simply not true. Jon has supported many conservative actions and ideas on this board. His loathing for Trump is clear, that is true. But that's as far as it goes.
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@Horace said in A Letter to Graves:
@Mik said in A Letter to Graves:
I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
And I think you're not understanding the nuances of my point. People aren't born tribal, and cultures aren't created with huge status entanglements with which presidential candidate one supports. Donald Trump ripped Jon's brain out of his head, curb stomped it, and put it back rather haphazardly. Jon shares that psychological destruction at the hands of the orange man, with millions of others. I never claimed he was born captured and socially obligated to hate Republicans. I am claiming his GOP hatred will be permanent, unless the culture changes, and it becomes safe to claim fellowship with conservative ideology.
That's simply not true. Jon has supported many conservative actions and ideas on this board. His loathing for Trump is clear, that is true. But that's as far as it goes.
@Mik said in A Letter to Graves:
@Horace said in A Letter to Graves:
@Mik said in A Letter to Graves:
I think that's an unfair judgement. If I am not wrong, Jon voted for Bush II at least once, possibly Bush I.
And I think you're not understanding the nuances of my point. People aren't born tribal, and cultures aren't created with huge status entanglements with which presidential candidate one supports. Donald Trump ripped Jon's brain out of his head, curb stomped it, and put it back rather haphazardly. Jon shares that psychological destruction at the hands of the orange man, with millions of others. I never claimed he was born captured and socially obligated to hate Republicans. I am claiming his GOP hatred will be permanent, unless the culture changes, and it becomes safe to claim fellowship with conservative ideology.
That's simply not true.
You continue to misunderstand me.
Jon has supported many conservative actions and ideas on this board. His loathing for Trump is clear, that is true. But that's as far as it goes.
His ideology has always been largely conservative. I am aware of that. It's why he needs to boil presidential politics down to full-stop existential threats, so ideology isn't on the table, and he can satisfy his cultural obligations to hate the right party. Think critically about his reasons for finding DeSantis to be worse than Warren, a politician he wishes dead. His hatred is indeed metastasizing. It's not just Trump, though Trump was the site of the original cancerous mutation.
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Republican In Name Only.
As usual, Phibes doesn't really know what he's talking about.
RINO's are squishy on principle, often wanting to be liked by moderates to the detriment of conservatives. They want to be liked by Demonrats, even though the Rats wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire .
When I think of a RINO, Pierre Delecto comes to mind...
@Jolly said in A Letter to Graves:
RINO's are squishy on principle
Unlike all the other politicians, then.
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Republican In Name Only.
As usual, Phibes doesn't really know what he's talking about.
RINO's are squishy on principle, often wanting to be liked by moderates to the detriment of conservatives. They want to be liked by Demonrats, even though the Rats wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire .
When I think of a RINO, Pierre Delecto comes to mind...
@Jolly said in A Letter to Graves:
As usual, Phibes doesn't really know what he's talking about.
The term RINO has repeatedly been used by Trump to describe many Republicans who dare to question his credentials, honesty, honour and skin tone. As we all know, he's a big fan of these rather childish epithets to describe people who are not actively engaged in sycophancy.
Your increasing use of the term is quite predictable.
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If you've been around Republicans, which i know are scarce where you've been living in the past, the term predates Trump. Goes back as far as the Neocon movement. Trump may use it, and sometimes he paints too broad a brush, but at least he has a glimmer of what the fuck he's talking about.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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The good news is I’m quite sure Horace is better at his day job than he is at playing amateur psychologist.
@Jon said in A Letter to Graves:
The good news is I’m quite sure Horace is better at his day job than he is at playing amateur psychologist.
What I've described is an archetype which you happen to conform to. It's less psychology, and more cultural anthropology. You make your own attempts at this sort of thing as well.
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If you've been around Republicans, which i know are scarce where you've been living in the past, the term predates Trump. Goes back as far as the Neocon movement. Trump may use it, and sometimes he paints too broad a brush, but at least he has a glimmer of what the fuck he's talking about.
@Jolly said in A Letter to Graves:
If you've been around Republicans, which i know are scarce where you've been living in the past, the term predates Trump. Goes back as far as the Neocon movement. Trump may use it, and sometimes he paints too broad a brush, but at least he has a glimmer of what the fuck he's talking about.
Yeah, the term's been around for a while, but the reason it gets used has changed.
And to be honest, Trump's conservative credentials aren't exactly glowing. Being an Olympic level gobshite doesn't make one a conservative.
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@Jolly said in A Letter to Graves:
If you've been around Republicans, which i know are scarce where you've been living in the past, the term predates Trump. Goes back as far as the Neocon movement. Trump may use it, and sometimes he paints too broad a brush, but at least he has a glimmer of what the fuck he's talking about.
Yeah, the term's been around for a while, but the reason it gets used has changed.
And to be honest, Trump's conservative credentials aren't exactly glowing. Being an Olympic level gobshite doesn't make one a conservative.
@Doctor-Phibes said in A Letter to Graves:
@Jolly said in A Letter to Graves:
If you've been around Republicans, which i know are scarce where you've been living in the past, the term predates Trump. Goes back as far as the Neocon movement. Trump may use it, and sometimes he paints too broad a brush, but at least he has a glimmer of what the fuck he's talking about.
Yeah, the term's been around for a while, but the reason it gets used has changed.
And to be honest, Trump's conservative credentials aren't exactly glowing. Being an Olympic level gobshite doesn't make one a conservative.
Trump's a pragmatist and a deal maker more than a committed conservative. But...He's done some conservative things that supposedly bedrock conservatives have only paid lip service to, like an emphasis on border security. And I think his SCOTUS appointments were quite good.
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It’s easy, TG.
RINO used to mean insuffiently conservative now it means insufficiently loyal to Trump.
@Jon said in A Letter to Graves:
It’s easy, TG.
RINO used to mean insuffiently conservative now it means insufficiently loyal to Trump.
DeSantis agrees.
“We have a strain in our party that views supporting Trump as whether you are a RINO or not. And so you could be the most conservative person since sliced bread [and] unless you’re kissing his rear end, they will somehow call you a RINO,” DeSantis said.
