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Trump to be indicted - again.

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    @taiwan_girl Ignorance of the Law is no defense in almost all cases, but the difference between a misdemeanor and Espionage Charges is specifically about intent, which presupposes awareness of the law, but even more, it presupposes purpose. Espionage implies a nefarious purpose. That’s a hard row to hoe in this case…

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @taiwan_girl Ignorance of the Law is no defense in almost all cases, but the difference between a misdemeanor and Espionage Charges is specifically about intent, which presupposes awareness of the law, but even more, it presupposes purpose. Espionage implies a nefarious purpose. That’s a hard row to hoe in this case…

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      @LuFins-Dad I believe that there is about a 0% chance President Trump will be convicted. i think that there will at least be one person on the jury (I assume this would be a jury case) who would vote against conviction no matter what.

      I think with 12 people, the odds will be pretty good.

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        @LuFins-Dad I believe that there is about a 0% chance President Trump will be convicted. i think that there will at least be one person on the jury (I assume this would be a jury case) who would vote against conviction no matter what.

        I think with 12 people, the odds will be pretty good.

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        #111

        @taiwan_girl said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

        @LuFins-Dad I believe that there is about a 0% chance President Trump will be convicted. i think that there will at least be one person on the jury (I assume this would be a jury case) who would vote against conviction no matter what.

        I think with 12 people, the odds will be pretty good.

        But there are charges that I don’t see him being able to walk away from… Obstruction…

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @taiwan_girl said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          @LuFins-Dad I believe that there is about a 0% chance President Trump will be convicted. i think that there will at least be one person on the jury (I assume this would be a jury case) who would vote against conviction no matter what.

          I think with 12 people, the odds will be pretty good.

          But there are charges that I don’t see him being able to walk away from… Obstruction…

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          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          @taiwan_girl said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          @LuFins-Dad I believe that there is about a 0% chance President Trump will be convicted. i think that there will at least be one person on the jury (I assume this would be a jury case) who would vote against conviction no matter what.

          I think with 12 people, the odds will be pretty good.

          But there are charges that I don’t see him being able to walk away from… Obstruction…

          That will be the hardest one. But Trump or no, I have a really hard time seeing obstruction charges against anybody for a crime that doesn't exist. Gotcha law is bad law and carries a whiff of Stalinism.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JonJ Offline
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            Jolly you need to get out of your right wing fantasy land echo chamber.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #114

              Yes sir, Biden Boy.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @LuFins-Dad I believe that there is about a 0% chance President Trump will be convicted. i think that there will at least be one person on the jury (I assume this would be a jury case) who would vote against conviction no matter what.

                I think with 12 people, the odds will be pretty good.

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                Jon
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                #115

                @taiwan_girl

                Jack Smith has another charge, a very serious one, he could bring in New Jersey.

                NJ, where Trump’s summer home is, is where he was caught on tape showing highly classified documents to journalists with no clearance at all. He goes on to say that he could have declassified the docs as president but didn’t, so they’re still secret. Literally. On tape.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #116

                  Now, depends on what the tape shows. If Trump is just waving a paper and the person in the room is unable to read it as Trump is talking did you know that does not meet the legal standard of passing on classified information?

                  Go look up the statute.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JonJ Offline
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                    Jon
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                    #117

                    We shall see.

                    The great thing about stories with so many witnesses is they’ve heavily disincentivized not to lie to the FBI.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #118

                      True. The FBI seems to be the only person or entity lying nowadays...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #119

                        The Brad

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                        • JonJ Offline
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                          Jon
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                          #120

                          Yeah but Ben Shapiro is a libtard rino msnbc hack. Every real American knows trumps behavior was perfect and this is all a plant by the deep state.

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                          • JonJ Offline
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                            Jon
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                            And the real Americans are having none of it.

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                              George K
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                              Bill Barr: The Truth About the Trump Indictment

                              https://www.thefp.com/p/bill-barr-the-truth-about-the-trump

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                                From the RWEC:

                                The first rule of Federal Indictment Club is: you don’t talk about your case. And the second rule of Federal Indictment Club is: you don’t talk about your case, period. You hire a good lawyer or two and let them talk about your case in public. The surest way to help the prosecution is to go on television and make a damaging admission about the key element of a charge.

                                Sort of like … this:

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  More 5D chess.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
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                                    #125

                                    Trump is Trump.

                                    He's very transparent.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Trump is Trump.

                                      He's very transparent.

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                                      George K
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                                      @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                                      He's very transparent.

                                      Another way of saying that might be "thin skinned."

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #127

                                        That, too.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          George K
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                                          Of course, it'll get pushed back. Nevertheless, I'm surprised it's so soon.

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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