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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #172

    The levels:

    https://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      I find the lack of official outrage to be troubling.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        I find the lack of official outrage to be troubling.

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        George K
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        @Jolly said in Lab Leak?:

        I find the lack of official outrage to be troubling.

        Because we were knee nipple-deep into it?

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #175

          That's saying a mouth full...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            #176

            How reliable is the source?

            The Brad

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              Shhh! From the RWEC:


              I wrote about the Sunday Times’ blockbuster story about the real origins of the COVID virus and the manner in which it was released into the population, presumably by accident.

              The US government paid for research that engineered COVID, the Chinese military bioweapons researchers got secretly involved, and the engineered virus escaped from an unsafe lab.

              The story is huge. Tens of millions of people died from COVID-related diseases. The virus was, indeed, engineered. The research behind it was at first internationally funded (and remained so), and the Chinese military got involved in the project. The United States funded the research, despite being warned that it was horribly dangerous and that the lab was unsafe. The EcoHealth Alliance provably lied to get grant money.

              A massive coverup by US and Chinese government officials hid the facts, although if you pieced together the puzzle the general outline of the timeline and the scheme to cover it up were clear.

              Yet as of this writing, not one single US mainstream media news source has covered the story. There are reports in the UK and elsewhere, but in the United States, there has been a blackout in the major media.

              The Sunday Times is not a tabloid. It is the oldest newspaper in the UK and is widely respected. It is not known for ideological bias–it has endorsed both major parties and even endorsed Barack Obama in 2012. The New York Times and many newspapers around the world are named after it–literally, this is the first newspaper called The Times and is one of the gold standards in journalism.

              The story is the product of months of research and is deeply sourced, including US State Department investigators who actually went to Wuhan to investigate the case. The paper trail is there. The sources are there. Both public and secret documents back it up. Much of it was publicly established in the past.

              In other words, it is not a conspiracy theory from a sketchy source that is easily dismissed.

              What it is, though, is grossly inconvenient for the MSM, the US government, and the bureaucrats who funded the research and covered it up.

              So the US public must be prevented from seeing this. I did a Google search on Wuhan and not one US news source popped up. Not one. The UK and India, and I would expect it will filter out to the world. It has been a day and a half since the story was published.

              The easiest way to suppress the story is simply to ignore it. Sure, many people will see it–although the number is few, since the Sunday Times’ readership is not large in the US, even though it is one of the larger circulation foreign newspapers in the US. So those of us who do see it and talk about it will sound like freaks and conspiracy theorists.

              You know the drill: you tell a friend about a bombshell–like the Israeli government was forced to release a report showing that nobody who was healthy and under 49 died from COVID. Not one. People with comorbidities did, but not healthy people. Yet you tell somebody that and they will scoff–it contradicts their priors and, of course, if it were true then it would be widely reported, right?

              Right? Big news obviously would get reported.

              Except, obviously, it doesn’t. One of the biggest news stories in the world has faced a US blackout for more than a day.

              Do you believe that major newspaper reporters don’t know about the story? Of course, they do.

              Do you think they disbelieve it? Perhaps some do, but most surely don’t. And not one of them would think the allegation isn’t newsworthy. The uncorroborated Steele Dossier, proven false, was covered relentlessly for years. Every hate crime hoax is endlessly covered. Verifying facts is inconvenient, so they ignore them anyway.

              The blackout has one reason: it contradicts the Narrative™. That’s it.

              The regime media exists for one purpose in modern America: to support the regime. This is not speculation anymore; it is clearly true. Chances are decent that the Sunday Times story will become a blockbuster in the UK and be memory-holed in the US, which is where the trail starts and the only place where accountability can occur. The UK didn’t do this.

              Anthony Fauci did, along with others. He covered it up, with the help of the US intelligence apparatus. And the MSM is covering up for him.

              In a few years, when it no longer matters, books will be written by the same reporters currently ignoring the story. They will make a mint, and people will be shocked, but it will be old news. A historical event, not a public policy issue.

              Everybody involved will skate. The US government has restarted its partnership with the EcoHealth Alliance, and everybody who matters is happy.

              Undoubtedly a few Republicans will do an investigation, but the media will call their charges “debunked” and “conspiracy theories,” which is what they always do.

              Millions of people died, and the people in charge and the ones who can hold them accountable simply don’t care.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Jolly
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                #178

                I don't doubt it a bit. Never did.

                Almost anybody who has ever worked in a lab knew it intuitively, within the first few months. Too many silly stories just didn't add up.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology

                  According to multiple U.S. government officials interviewed as part of a lengthy investigation by Public and Racket, the first people infected by the virus, “patients zero,” included Ben Hu, a researcher who led the WIV’s “gain-of-function” research on SARS-like coronaviruses, which increases the infectiousness of viruses.

                  More than three years after the pandemic’s outbreak, many around the world had given up on learning the origin of SARS-CoV-2, the highly infectious respiratory virus that has killed millions, and the response to which shut down businesses and schools, upended societies, and caused enormous collateral damage.

                  Public officials in the U.S. and other countries have repeatedly suggested that uncovering the pandemic’s origin may not be possible. “We may never know,” said Anthony Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, who oversaw pandemic response for two administrations.

                  Now, answers increasingly look within reach. Sources within the US government say that three of the earliest people to become infected with SARS-CoV-2 were Ben Hu, Yu Ping, and Yan Zhu. All were members of the Wuhan lab suspected to have leaked the pandemic virus.

                  “Ben Hu is essentially the next Shi Zhengli,” said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and coauthor with Matt Ridley of Viral: The Search for the Origin of Covid19. Shi is known as “the bat woman of China,” and led the gain-of-function research at the WIV. “He was her star pupil. He had been making chimeric SARS-like viruses and testing these in humanized mice. If I had to guess who would be doing this risky virus research and most at risk of getting accidentally infected, it would be him.”

                  Hu and Yu researched the novel lineage of SARS-like viruses from which SARS-CoV-2 hails, and in 2019 coauthored a paper with Shi Zhengli that described SARS-like lineages they had studied over the years.

                  Jamie Metzl, a former member of the World Health Organization expert advisory committee on human genome editing who raised questions starting in early 2020 about a possible research-related pandemic origin, said, “It’s a game changer if it can be proven that Hu got sick with COVID-19 before anyone else. That would be the ‘smoking gun.’ Hu was the lead hands-on researcher in Shi’s lab.”

                  Sources tell Public and Racket that other news organizations are chasing aspects of this story. On Saturday, The Times of London quoted an anonymous U.S. State Department investigator saying, “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation, and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic.”

                  In March 2018, the WIV, the EcoHealth Alliance, and the University of North Carolina applied for a $14 million grant from the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Project Agency DARPA to engineer “furin cleavage sites” into SARS-like coronaviruses to study how this affected their ability to grow and cause disease.

                  Scientists say the key piece of the COVID-19 virus, which made it so transmissible compared to its closest relatives, was its unique furin cleavage site.

                  DARPA rejected the grant, but it now appears the WIV went forward with the research anyway. The Times of London reported that US collaborators of the WIV had come forward and said the Wuhan scientists had put furin cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses in 2019.

                  Said Metzl, “Had US government officials including Dr. Fauci stated from day one that a COVID-19 research-related origin was a very real possibility, and made clear that we had little idea what viruses were being held at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, what work was being done there, and who was doing that work, our national and global conversations would have been dramatically different. The time has come for a full accounting.”

                  I had been told by reliable sources that this was a crazy conspiracy theory.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
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                    #180

                    Who ordered the code red coverup?

                    https://public.substack.com/p/who-ordered-the-cover-up

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #181

                      The Biden Administration.

                      Bought and paid for...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        George K
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                        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12205705/Chinese-military-expert-filed-patent-Covid-vaccine-died-mysterious-circumstances.html

                        A Chinese military scientist who was reportedly thrown to his death from the roof of a Wuhan institute is at the centre of mounting evidence that the Covid pandemic resulted from a lab leak.

                        Intelligence obtained by members of the US Senate reveals that Zhou Yusen filed a patent for a Covid-19 vaccine on February 24, 2020, barely a month after China put Wuhan into lockdown because of the outbreak.

                        US vaccine developers told investigators that it would have been impossible to have generated the data cited in the patent so swiftly – it would have taken about three months' work, meaning that scientists at the Wuhan Institute for Virology were secretly working on a Covid vaccine in November, two months before Beijing told the world about the pandemic.

                        Zhou, who worked for the People's Liberation Army and was collaborating with Wuhan scientists at the time of the outbreak, died in mysterious circumstances in May 2020, aged 54.

                        US investigators are said to have been told 'Zhou fell from the roof of the Institute', although this has not been confirmed.

                        Sheesh...could've been more creative, like falling from a window, Russian-style.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12205705/Chinese-military-expert-filed-patent-Covid-vaccine-died-mysterious-circumstances.html

                          A Chinese military scientist who was reportedly thrown to his death from the roof of a Wuhan institute is at the centre of mounting evidence that the Covid pandemic resulted from a lab leak.

                          Intelligence obtained by members of the US Senate reveals that Zhou Yusen filed a patent for a Covid-19 vaccine on February 24, 2020, barely a month after China put Wuhan into lockdown because of the outbreak.

                          US vaccine developers told investigators that it would have been impossible to have generated the data cited in the patent so swiftly – it would have taken about three months' work, meaning that scientists at the Wuhan Institute for Virology were secretly working on a Covid vaccine in November, two months before Beijing told the world about the pandemic.

                          Zhou, who worked for the People's Liberation Army and was collaborating with Wuhan scientists at the time of the outbreak, died in mysterious circumstances in May 2020, aged 54.

                          US investigators are said to have been told 'Zhou fell from the roof of the Institute', although this has not been confirmed.

                          Sheesh...could've been more creative, like falling from a window, Russian-style.

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                          Renauda
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                          #183

                          @George-K

                          Maybe he was checking the HVAC on the roof and slipped?

                          Elbows up!

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                            Slippery things, roofs.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              This is not new information. This guy was brought up in some articles 3 years ago and we were told “shut up, you’re crazy”

                              The Brad

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                                The Brad

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