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Trump to be indicted - again.

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #20

    I know you're disappointed, but I don't think he does guys ...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      I know you're disappointed, but I don't think he does guys ...

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      Doctor Phibes
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      #21

      @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

      I know you're disappointed, but I don't think he does guys ...

      I suspect he would if I wore a mask

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      I was only joking

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #22

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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          Mayor Maternity Leave

          Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit?

          That’s bench, not rocking chairs…

          MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #23

          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          @George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          @LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

          Mayor Maternity Leave

          Felonia Milhous von Pantsuit?

          That’s bench, not rocking chairs…

          Nah. She’s the White Walker.

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          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by Jolly
            #24

            Prediction: Hunter will be indicted or arrested within 30 days or less. The charges will be something slam-dunk, like the gun charges.

            It's so DOJ can use it as a fig leaf and proclaim fairness.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JonJ Offline
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              Jon
              wrote on last edited by
              #25

              It could also be that they both committed crimes and their respective prosecutors are ambitious and very much want the feather in their cap.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #26

                Pardon me, while I step out of way, so as not to be hit with a falling meteor.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JonJ Jon

                  It could also be that they both committed crimes and their respective prosecutors are ambitious and very much want the feather in their cap.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #27

                  @Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                  It could also be that they both committed crimes and their respective prosecutors are ambitious and very much want the feather in their cap.

                  And one indictment took 6 months from the discovery of the alleged crime to happen.

                  The other alleged crime(s) were discovered more than 3 years ago - and still no indictment. That doesn't sound particularly ambitious to me.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #28

                    Screenshot 2023-06-09 at 9.28.15 AM.png

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #30

                        Elon is right.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Elon is right.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #31

                          @Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                          Elon is right.

                          Yep. The institutionalized hatred of Trump would make this targeting, a foregone conclusion.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
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                            #32

                            You know, there's no constitutional prohibition of a felon being elected president.

                            He could serve from a prison cell, and then, on day 1 pardon himself.

                            C'mon it's only a little more ridiculous than holding an impeachment trial of someone who isn't even president.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              kluurs
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                              #33

                              [Trump’s view] hasn’t held up well. (https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT81hdwCp/)

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                                The indictment (PDF):

                                https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf

                                Washington Post's breakdown of the 37 charges, including range of penalties: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/06/09/trump-charges-classified-documents/

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  #35

                                  Republicans Should Reject the Comey Precedent


                                  As Andrew McCarthy observed, the parallels (to Clinton - GK)are hard to avoid. Trump allegedly violated record-keeping requirements in statute and potentially exposed sensitive information to unauthorized eyes. So, too, did Clinton. Trump is said by prosecutors to have obstructed investigators’ work. More than 30,000 emails in Clinton’s possession were destroyed despite the congressional subpoena targeting them. The distinction between the two is in how the DOJ — specifically, the FBI under Director James Comey — handled the case against Clinton.

                                  In what has become an infamous statement to the press, on July 5, 2016, Comey concluded that “no reasonable prosecutor” would find grounds for an indictment against Clinton in relation to her decision to house classified materials on an unsecured “home brew” server and transmit those materials via private email servers and electronic devices. While the bureau found “evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information,” Comey determined that those violations could not be successfully prosecuted.

                                  But as Republicans said to all who were willing to listen, the standard Comey set for prosecuting Clinton went well beyond the existing statute and had not been applied before. Indeed, this standard has not been applied since. Comey set a terrible precedent that does not deserve to be observed as one. At least, that is the conclusion we might draw from the statements Republicans made at the time.

                                  In a grilling before the GOP-led House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on July 7, 2016, Comey confirmed that Clinton’s public comments regarding the server and her conduct were false or misleading. He defended himself by indicating that he could not “establish that [Clinton] acted with the necessary criminal intent.” After all, “the secretary may not have been as sophisticated as people assume,” Comey said, ostensibly, in Clinton’s defense. How one could be “extremely careless” and “negligent” while also being too dense to understand the gravity of their misconduct is a mystery that remains unsolved.

                                  The FBI director himself confessed that he was “setting” a “precedent,” and Republicans agreed. Though Comey defended it as one designed to “treat everybody fairly,” GOP lawmakers called it a “dangerous precedent.” Representative Paul Ryan said it appeared like “preferential treatment for Clinton.” Senator Rand Paul asserted that the “rule of law has been shattered.” The FBI director “has rewritten a clearly worded federal criminal statute,” Senator Ted Cruz agreed. “It seems that there are two standards,” said former representative Jason Chaffetz. “The fact pattern presented by Director Comey makes clear Secretary Clinton violated the law. Individuals who intentionally skirt the law must be held accountable.”
                                  ...
                                  If Trump is found to have violated the law — not just the mishandling of classified materials, which seems only ever to be a prosecutable offense if the alleged offender is not a household name, but the allegedly deliberate misleading of investigators and obstructive conduct — he should face the consequences he himself has said should befall anyone who violates the statutes that apply to the handling of confidential materials.

                                  The equal but opposite uneven application of justice is no remedy for the uneven application of justice. The fact that the Comey precedent, applied to Trump’s case, might exculpate him of misconduct despite the publicly available evidence suggestive of his guilt demonstrates that the FBI director abdicated his duties in 2016. Republicans were right to reject the Comey standard then. They should continue to reject it today.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
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                                    #36

                                    They must really want him to win.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • JonJ Offline
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                                      Jon
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                                      #37

                                      That’s a lot of sleight of hand on McCarthys part. Note he used the passive voice in Hillary’s case “documents were destroyed”.

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        The indictment (PDF):

                                        https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2023/06/trump-indictment.pdf

                                        Washington Post's breakdown of the 37 charges, including range of penalties: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/06/09/trump-charges-classified-documents/

                                        JonJ Offline
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                                        Jon
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                                        #38

                                        @Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:

                                        Washington Post's breakdown of the 37 charges, including range of penalties:

                                        Fat man do crime,
                                        Fat man do time.

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          #39

                                          @Mik That was my point earlier... https://nypost.com/2023/06/06/ron-desantis-gaining-on-trump-in-iowa-in-virtual-tie-internal-poll-shows/

                                          https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4040215-trump-desantis-neck-and-neck-in-utah-poll/

                                          The Brad

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