Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries

[Jolly]

There is always a nut out there. Just tell them "No".

[Axtremus]

The Salt Lake Tribune’s article has more details, and also talk about which other religious texts are being challenged:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2023/06/01/bible-is-banned-these-utah/

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries:

There is always a nut out there. Just tell them "No".

Yeah, the nuts who pushed that 2022 book banning law should have been told “No.”

[Jon]

As a stunt to protest the law it’s quite clever.

[George K]

I still am waiting for an answer as to whether Ax has/had or allowed his kids to have access to the likes of "Gender Queer," and other such books.

[Jolly]

You're gonna wait a long time...

[bachophile]

@Axtremus i actually liked the trib's editorial on this

Tribune Editorial: Bible is banned. Where did we think this was going to end up?
The solution to all this is blindingly simple: Remove the book bans. All of them. Let people decide for themselves and for their families.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2023/06/02/tribune-editorial-bible-is-banned/

[George K]

@bachophile said in Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries:

Remove the book bans. All of them.

So "Gender Queer" is OK for 2nd graders?

[bachophile]

the problem starts when you need "legal definitions" instead of common sense.

no i dont think second graders need anything beyond see spot run, or the second grade equivalent.

i think a school library should use common sense. and not rely on bans.

[bachophile]

btw i think thats true about many things. the legal battles always begin when common sense leaves.

unforunatley its a rare commodity these days

[George K]

@bachophile said in Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries:

i think a school library should use common sense. and not rely on bans.

So, in other words, let the school library staff decide which books it bans doesn't put on the shelves.

I hope you understand I'm playing devil's advocate here. Clearly there are some things that are not age-appropriate, and images of oral sex (regardless of gender(s)) are among them.

Yet, it all comes down to where the so-called "ban" is implemented. Be it at the state legislature level or the library board, it's still a ban if it's not permitted or shelved. The only thing different is which actors are doing the banning.

[Jolly]

@bachophile said in Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries:

the problem starts when you need "legal definitions" instead of common sense.

no i dont think second graders need anything beyond see spot run, or the second grade equivalent.

i think a school library should use common sense. and not rely on bans.

Common sense is a rare commodity.

[bachophile]

yea i think i need to trust a school's library staff, and hope that legal authority doesn't need to address things like this. because legal decisions invariably lead to absurdities like bible banning. or saying Michelangelo's David is public obscenity, or whatever.

[Copper]

Go to a private school, problem solved.

The public schools will be left with students who can't read, so it won't matter.

Look at Boston or Detroit or DC to see examples of this strategy.

[Jolly]

@Copper said in Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries:

Go to a private school, problem solved.

The public schools will be left with students who can't read, so it won't matter.

Look at Boston or Detroit or DC to see examples of this strategy.

It's not just there. COVID brought some really interesting changes to public education, especially to the middle class. Parents suddenly realized exactly what and how much little Johnny and Suzie were being taught, and they didn't like it. If they could afford it or if they had the time, suddenly these parents are leaving the public schools for private schools and home schooling. Home schooling, in particular, has undergone a radical metamorphosis, starting even before COVID. A lot of homeschoolers belong to co-ops, where each parent may teach something within their realm of expertise or knowledge, or they may even hire a teacher (often retired) for some of the classes.

As this happens, public schools lose money, especially in states where some or all of the money follows the child. As they lose money and children, the operating expenses stay the same. Not to mention the student body is just a little bit dumber and scores begin to go down. As the scores go down, the school becomes less desirable, more students leave, property tax roles can be affected, meaning less money to work with...It's all a downward spiral...

[LuFins Dad]

@bachophile said in Christian Bible removed from some Utah school libraries:

yea i think i need to trust a school's library staff, and hope that legal authority doesn't need to address things like this. because legal decisions invariably lead to absurdities like bible banning. or saying Michelangelo's David is public obscenity, or whatever.

I used to think like that. Then I started getting to know the staff at my kid’s school. Well intentioned fools are still fools.

[Horace]

The leftism mind virus destroys common sense. And the leftism mind virus is common. So we don't have common sense, we have common craziness.

[Jolly]

Actually, it is a product of a legal age, where everything is litigated and society is populated by a large segment of people educated beyond their intelligence.

[Horace]

There's nothing wrong with midwits going to school, but when the school indoctrinates them into a good vs evil cultural and political perspective, and that perspective happens to be stupid and anti-social, the indoctrinated midwits become a problem. Education doesn't have to equal indoctrination, but these days it unfortunately does.