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  • JonJ Offline
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    Jon
    wrote on last edited by
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    Is there a thread about the deal they struck?

    Anyway - here are the two questions that pop into my mind:

    1. Does it pass?

    2. Will anyone in the GOP caucus insist on holding a no-confidence vote for McCarthy?

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      1. Yes. They will get enough Democrat votes to make up for lost Republican votes. This will also give the frontier R’s and D’s the clearance they need to object and rage against the machine, knowing their dissent doesn’t carry any real repercussions.

      2. Maybe. I don’t think it goes anywhere, though.

      The Brad

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      • MikM Offline
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        McCarthy did very well here. I think it will pass and he will go unchallenged.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          It will pass

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          • AxtremusA Away
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            Let the blathering and nitpicking begin ...

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            • JonJ Offline
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              Jon
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              #6

              Some afternoon reporting on the subject from The Dispatch. A couple are talking about the "motion to vacate the chair".

              House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s deal with President Joe Biden over the weekend to suspend the debt ceiling until January 2025 has infuriated some conservative lawmakers. But whether the House Freedom Caucus or other hardliners will do anything about it remains to be seen.
              “Democrats got everything they wanted with this bill,” claimed Rep. Ken Buck. And Rep. Lauren Boebert described it as “swamp garbage,” adding that voting for it would be “stabbing the American people directly in the back.” Texas Rep. Chip Roy, meanwhile, called it a “turd-sandwich” and pledged to rally opposition to the bill.
              Republicans who disike the bill can of course vote against it when it comes to the floor this week. But they also have the power to force a vote on removing McCarthy as House speaker. So far only one member has publicly indicated he is willing to go that far.
              A motion to vacate the chair—the procedural tool to oust the speaker—is on the table and appears “inescapable” to Rep. Dan Bishop of North Carolina, he said Tuesday. It takes just one member to offer the motion, but removing McCarthy requires a majority of members who are present and voting. They’d also likely have to sustain it past an initial vote; some moderate Democrats have privately suggested they would be willing to help McCarthy remain speaker amid blowback over a debt ceiling deal.
              There are hints some other members are thinking about it: If Roy is unable to block the legislation this week, “We’re going to have to then regroup and figure out the whole leadership arrangement again,” Roy said Tuesday.
              Others have pushed back on the idea. Rep. Andy Ogles, who repeatedly voted against McCarthy for speaker in January, said he doesn’t think a motion to vacate will happen.
              At a press conference on Tuesday afternoon, Freedom Caucus members denounced the debt ceiling agreement but largely steered clear of throwing McCarthy’s leadership into question.
              House Republicans are expected to huddle tonight to discuss the bill—kicking off an intense whip operation by GOP leaders, with a vote as soon as Wednesday.
              It’s unclear how many Democrats will ultimately support the bill. House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries said on CBS over the weekend that he expects most support will come from Republicans, but some centrist Democrats have already indicated they would back it.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                1. Yes. They will get enough Democrat votes to make up for lost Republican votes. This will also give the frontier R’s and D’s the clearance they need to object and rage against the machine, knowing their dissent doesn’t carry any real repercussions.

                2. Maybe. I don’t think it goes anywhere, though.

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Debt Limit Deal:

                1. Yes. They will get enough Democrat votes to make up for lost Republican votes. This will also give the frontier R’s and D’s the clearance they need to object and rage against the machine, knowing their dissent doesn’t carry any real repercussions.

                2. Maybe. I don’t think it goes anywhere, though.

                Yep and I don't think it even goes beyond just bitching...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JonJ Offline
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                  #8

                  The more I think about it, the more I see a challenge to McCarthy as inevitable. There’s too much opportunity for a few days of limelight, it’s hard to imagine each and every firebrand back bencher letting the opportunity go to waste. And it isn’t all about theatrics, McCarthy really did renege on his deal with them that he made in January (at least that’s what they’re saying).

                  Dems could help the challenge to him fail, which would create an interesting dynamic.

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                    That’d be damn near bipartisan.

                    Perhaps there is reason to hope.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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