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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #11

    My FIL was a machine gunner in Korea. I've heard a few stories, and they were grim enough to know why he didn't want to say any more.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Jolly
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      Wife's uncle (same family as her WW2 uncle, just the baby of the family) was Marine Corps and a demolitions guy in Vietnam...Unexploded ordinance, booby traps. Did one tour, volunteered for another. Never heard a word about his time in Nam.

      Did hear a pretty funny story about the time he blew himself up at a boot camp demonstration.

      One of her first cousins (nephew of the first two) got a Silver Star and a couple of bullet holes in Nam. He never talked about it. I do know he was listed as MIA after a firefight, because they had already told his wife he was missing.

      That rocked on for about a week and a half, until she got a call from the hospital in Japan. He had been out of it...Last thing he remembered was somebody throwing him in a helicopter and then he woke up in the hospital. And that's about all I knew about him, until his obituary.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        Copper
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        #13

        My father has been gone since 1999

        35 Missions in a B-24

        Mission # Date Target
        1 Nov. 2, 1944 Castrop-Rauxel - - (Purple hearts - 2)
        2 Nov. 4, 1944 Gelsen-Kirchen
        3 Nov. 6, 1944 Minden
        4 Nov. 8, 1944 Rheine
        5 Nov. 9, 1944 Metz - whiskey
        6 Nov. 21, 1944 Hamburg - air medal
        7 Nov. 25, 1944 Bingen
        8 Nov. 29, 1944 Altenbeken
        9 Dec. 4, 1944 Bebra
        10 Dec. 11, 1944 Hanau - whiskey
        11 Dec. 23, 1944 Junkerauth
        12 Dec. 24, 1944 Bitburg - oak leaf cluster
        13 Dec. 28, 1944 Neunkirchen
        14 Dec. 30, 1944 Euskirchen
        15 Jan. 3, 1945 Homburg - whiskey
        16 Jan. 7, 1945 Zweibrucken
        17 Jan. 14, 1945 Ehmen
        18 Jan. 15, 1945 Reutlingen - oak leaf cluster
        19 Jan. 28, 1945 Dortmund
        20 Jan. 2,9, 1945 Hamm - whiskey - flak leave
        21 Feb. 14, 1945 Magdeburg
        22 Feb. 1 6, 1945 Rheine
        23 Feb 21, 1945 Nuremburg - forced landing
        24 Feb. 23, 1945 Salzuflen - oak leaf cluster, diverted to a Limey base
        25 Feb. 25, 1945 Giebelstadt
        26 Feb. 26, 1945 Berlin
        27 Feb. 28, 1-945 Arnsberg - Belgium
        28 Mar. 3, 1945 Magdeburg - fighters
        29 Mar. 10, 1945 Paderborn
        30 Mar. 12, 1945 Wetzlar - oak leaf cluster
        31 Mar. 15, 1945 Gardelegen
        32 Mar. 19, 1945 Neuberg
        33 Mar, 21, 1945 Achmer
        34 Mar. 22, 1945 Giebelstadt
        35 Mar. 24, 1945 Wesel

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        • MikM Offline
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          35 missions. That’s quite incredible.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            35 missions. That’s quite incredible.

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            Renauda
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            @Mik

            That is incredible given that USAAF bomber crews that survived 27 missions had the option to return home and train the next generation of crews.

            Elbows up!

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              Jolly
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              #16

              25 missions in 1943. With the ascension of the P-51 and the decimation of the Luftwaffe, Crews were rotated home after 30 missions. In late 44 or early 45, that went to 35 missions.

              AFAIK, that was a implemented by each theater, so the number may have been different in the Pacific, etc.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Copper
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                #17

                That's right, minimums were raised later in the war.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  25 missions in 1943. With the ascension of the P-51 and the decimation of the Luftwaffe, Crews were rotated home after 30 missions. In late 44 or early 45, that went to 35 missions.

                  AFAIK, that was a implemented by each theater, so the number may have been different in the Pacific, etc.

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                  Renauda
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                  #18

                  @Jolly

                  I stand corrected. Thanks. I don’t know why 27 missions stood out in my mind. 25 makes far more sense.

                  I don’t think there was any mission ceiling on RAF or RCAF bomber crews. I should ask my friend whose father flew I don’t how many bombing missions as an RCAF navigator on Lancasters. Seems to me he signed up early in the war. So I am curious as to how many he flew. I only know it was a lot.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    I think it was 30 for the RAF, starting in the early 40's. Then six months on other duty, then 20 missions on the second tour.

                    By the end of the second tour the survival rates were pretty bad.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      I think it was 30 for the RAF, starting in the early 40's. Then six months on other duty, then 20 missions on the second tour.

                      By the end of the second tour the survival rates were pretty bad.

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                      Renauda
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                      #20

                      @Jolly

                      I checked and yes the RAF required 30 missions not exceeding 200 flying hours followed by a rest of six months training new crews then a second tour of duty. Oddly, pathfinders required 45 missions before the rest.

                      RCAF 6th Group would have been the same.

                      I do remember my mother saying that some of the flight crew officers sent to Calgary to rest were badly shell shocked. They were in no shape to train anyone.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        My father has been gone since 1999

                        35 Missions in a B-24

                        Mission # Date Target
                        1 Nov. 2, 1944 Castrop-Rauxel - - (Purple hearts - 2)
                        2 Nov. 4, 1944 Gelsen-Kirchen
                        3 Nov. 6, 1944 Minden
                        4 Nov. 8, 1944 Rheine
                        5 Nov. 9, 1944 Metz - whiskey
                        6 Nov. 21, 1944 Hamburg - air medal
                        7 Nov. 25, 1944 Bingen
                        8 Nov. 29, 1944 Altenbeken
                        9 Dec. 4, 1944 Bebra
                        10 Dec. 11, 1944 Hanau - whiskey
                        11 Dec. 23, 1944 Junkerauth
                        12 Dec. 24, 1944 Bitburg - oak leaf cluster
                        13 Dec. 28, 1944 Neunkirchen
                        14 Dec. 30, 1944 Euskirchen
                        15 Jan. 3, 1945 Homburg - whiskey
                        16 Jan. 7, 1945 Zweibrucken
                        17 Jan. 14, 1945 Ehmen
                        18 Jan. 15, 1945 Reutlingen - oak leaf cluster
                        19 Jan. 28, 1945 Dortmund
                        20 Jan. 2,9, 1945 Hamm - whiskey - flak leave
                        21 Feb. 14, 1945 Magdeburg
                        22 Feb. 1 6, 1945 Rheine
                        23 Feb 21, 1945 Nuremburg - forced landing
                        24 Feb. 23, 1945 Salzuflen - oak leaf cluster, diverted to a Limey base
                        25 Feb. 25, 1945 Giebelstadt
                        26 Feb. 26, 1945 Berlin
                        27 Feb. 28, 1-945 Arnsberg - Belgium
                        28 Mar. 3, 1945 Magdeburg - fighters
                        29 Mar. 10, 1945 Paderborn
                        30 Mar. 12, 1945 Wetzlar - oak leaf cluster
                        31 Mar. 15, 1945 Gardelegen
                        32 Mar. 19, 1945 Neuberg
                        33 Mar, 21, 1945 Achmer
                        34 Mar. 22, 1945 Giebelstadt
                        35 Mar. 24, 1945 Wesel

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                        AndyD
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #21

                        @Copper

                        It's hard to imagine the increasing stress of bombing missions over such a time period.

                        Your father's service brought to mind another American, Billy Fiske, who pretended to be Canadian to join the RAF and so served in the Battle of Britain.

                        They could be scrambled into action half a dozen times a day. He flew 42 sorties in 27 days. One of the very best fliers of the honoured few who saved us, his memorial is in St Paul's cathedral.

                        https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/7-pilots-who-flew-in-the-battle-of-britain

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