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What's in the GOP Debt Limit Spending Reductions

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    Mik
    wrote on 26 Apr 2023, 19:49 last edited by
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    The bill was introduced on the 20th anyway.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      26 Apr 2023, 19:30

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 26 Apr 2023, 19:51 last edited by
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      @Mik I don't know if they moved the goalposts so much as were just performing in January when they made the promise. McCarthy has enough legislative experience to know what the pressures would be to do otherwise.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • M Mik
        26 Apr 2023, 19:49

        The bill was introduced on the 20th anyway.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 26 Apr 2023, 19:51 last edited by
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        @Mik said in What's in the GOP Debt Limit Spending Reductions:

        The bill was introduced on the 20th anyway.

        And modified all night.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Mik
          wrote on 26 Apr 2023, 20:06 last edited by
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          Six days ago. Try something else.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Jolly
            wrote on 26 Apr 2023, 21:18 last edited by
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            Much of what is in McCarthy's bill has been discussed in the MSM. If it's in the MSM, I suspect that most members of Congress have a pretty good inkling of the major points.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Jolly
              wrote on 26 Apr 2023, 21:20 last edited by
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              And besides, when did Ax steal Jon's log-in info?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • M Mik
                26 Apr 2023, 20:06

                Six days ago. Try something else.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 00:41 last edited by
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                @Mik said in What's in the GOP Debt Limit Spending Reductions:

                Six days ago. Try something else.

                Substantial changes were made to the bill in the early AM mere hours before the vote. See https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-republicans-eye-wednesday-vote-debt-limit-bill-making-changes-rcna81326

                Despite winning concessions, Gaetz voiced frustration that changes were made in the dead of night and just hours before lawmakers were set to vote. Republicans often fumed at then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats for bypassing regular order and making changes to big legislation in the middle of the night.
                “I never get mad,” Gaetz said, “but it has a practical consequence when at 2 in the morning changes are made and we’re asked to vote in the subsequent several hours.”

                You can trust Rep. Gaetz, right?

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                • M Mik
                  26 Apr 2023, 20:06

                  Six days ago. Try something else.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 11:42 last edited by
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                  @Mik said in What's in the GOP Debt Limit Spending Reductions:

                  Six days ago. Try something else.

                  The entire idea behind "72 hours" is post final amendments. No substantive bill actually goes from introduction to passage in less time, that's not the origin of the complaint. Even the ACA - 'pass it so we can see what's in it' - spent many months from introduction to passage.

                  Leadership hates it because more time gives opposition more time to mobilize. The promise was empty back in January, just like the previous congresses when they've said the same thing.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 11:46 last edited by
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                    Who was it that said 'You have to pass it to see what's in it?".

                    No, the 72 hour thing is open to interpretation. Would you care to address what's actually in the bill?

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 11:56 last edited by
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                      Pelosi.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • M Mik
                        27 Apr 2023, 11:46

                        Who was it that said 'You have to pass it to see what's in it?".

                        No, the 72 hour thing is open to interpretation. Would you care to address what's actually in the bill?

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 12:05 last edited by
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                        @Mik said in What's in the GOP Debt Limit Spending Reductions:

                        Would you care to address what's actually in the bill?

                        Give me 72 hours to read it. j/k

                        I'm indifferent to supportive of most of the specific cuts, though I don't know the details behind the renewables/fossil fuels stuff. The two things I don't like are (1) capping spending ongoing without saying how they'd do it, that's always been a cowardly cop out, and (2) they're only agreeing to release the hostage for a year.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 2 May 2023, 23:20 last edited by
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                          https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2023/debt-limit-drama.pdf

                          Moody's Analytics on the House GOP proposal, staring from the bottom paragraph on page 2. Page 6 and one talks about the macroeconomic impact.

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                            2 May 2023, 23:20

                            https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2023/debt-limit-drama.pdf

                            Moody's Analytics on the House GOP proposal, staring from the bottom paragraph on page 2. Page 6 and one talks about the macroeconomic impact.

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on 3 May 2023, 08:07 last edited by
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                            @Axtremus said in What's in the GOP Debt Limit Spending Reductions:

                            https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2023/debt-limit-drama.pdf

                            Page 6 and one talks about the macroeconomic impact.

                            That may be what the Republicans want. If their proposal is passed, and the economy reacts as per the paper, then they can blame the bad economy on the Democrats in time for the new elections.

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