The Ruling Class
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Dude's pontificating as an outsider. The beer ad wasn't made because of a ruling class problem.
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Dude's pontificating as an outsider. The beer ad wasn't made because of a ruling class problem.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
Dude's pontificating as an outsider.
OF course, we should never judge by appearances. However, I rather suspect he's somebody who isn't too many steps away from being a little out of touch with the common man himself...
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You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
nd not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere
I should worry more about a cis-somebody mocking women than when a trans does it?
Ah well, not to worry. This too shall lose its steam and we will be redirected to get all outraged about something else. Which we will do, because we're obedient like that.
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@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
nd not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere
I should worry more about a cis-somebody mocking women than when a trans does it?
Ah well, not to worry. This too shall lose its steam and we will be redirected to get all outraged about something else. Which we will do, because we're obedient like that.
@Catseye3 said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
nd not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere
I should worry more about a cis-somebody mocking women than when a trans does it?
Ah well, not to worry. This too shall lose its steam and we will be redirected to get all outraged about something else. Which we will do, because we're obedient like that.
Look, the guy is being feted by your President in the White House, sending out a message of loving approval.
It doesn't matter that he takes female mannerisms, ratchets then to 11 , and mocks the hell out of actual women. It's an out of work Broadway actor riding a perverted caricature to a very good living
Why should we be outraged? Because some teachers are now claiming 20% of their class is transgendered. How can we fuck kid's heads up this much and expect them to maintain a healthy society?
They can't. The parallels to the Fall of Rome are simply breathtaking. It's there for all to see.
You know, there are three kinds of people...Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen and those who wonder, "What the hell just happened?".
I'm afraid those who turn a blind eye to the insidious shallowing of society and a turning away from the Melting Pot and the American Dream, will one day wonder, "What the hell just happened?". But it wouldn't have just happened...They were just frogs in a pot of water, with the temp being slowly turned up. The epitomy of fat, dumb and happy.
Or maybe, as in the case if Rome, bread and circuses...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
Please love yourself.
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@Catseye3 said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
nd not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere
I should worry more about a cis-somebody mocking women than when a trans does it?
Ah well, not to worry. This too shall lose its steam and we will be redirected to get all outraged about something else. Which we will do, because we're obedient like that.
Look, the guy is being feted by your President in the White House, sending out a message of loving approval.
It doesn't matter that he takes female mannerisms, ratchets then to 11 , and mocks the hell out of actual women. It's an out of work Broadway actor riding a perverted caricature to a very good living
Why should we be outraged? Because some teachers are now claiming 20% of their class is transgendered. How can we fuck kid's heads up this much and expect them to maintain a healthy society?
They can't. The parallels to the Fall of Rome are simply breathtaking. It's there for all to see.
You know, there are three kinds of people...Those who make things happen, those who watch things happen and those who wonder, "What the hell just happened?".
I'm afraid those who turn a blind eye to the insidious shallowing of society and a turning away from the Melting Pot and the American Dream, will one day wonder, "What the hell just happened?". But it wouldn't have just happened...They were just frogs in a pot of water, with the temp being slowly turned up. The epitomy of fat, dumb and happy.
Or maybe, as in the case if Rome, bread and circuses...
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@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
Then educate. I'll listen...
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
Then educate. I'll listen...
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
Then educate. I'll listen...
Just as a caveat, look, I've presented work to marketing VPs whose marketing budgets are orders of magnitude larger than Anheuser-Busch's. I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've been in the damn meetings where stupid shit like this sometimes happens.
Alissa Gordon Heinerscheid doesn’t suck at her job because she’s detached from regular life. A LOT of marketing VPs are completely divorced from the experience you and I might call reality. And yet they don’t make decisions like these.
It’s because the good ones are unashamedly empathetic about who buys their stuff. Fundamentalist Christian potato farmer? Apple fanboi digital nomad? Doesn’t matter, they embrace whoever their audience is with open arms and try to build a stronger relationship with them.
Where Heinerscheid fucked up is where a lot of politicians fuck up. It’s not really about the influence they have or the bubble they’re in. Those are just inevitable consequences. She’s lost her empathy for the people who give her money. She started thinking her job was to define a culture, not champion it.
That would be my preferred way in for the broader conversation, too. We have an empathy problem, not a class problem. And it’s exacerbated by technology eroding the number of acquaintances we have that live outside of our own bubbles.
I would venture out and guess that it explains modern social epidemics, the new racism, basically everything.
But I freaking know it's how stupid ads get made. Every time.Please love yourself.
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You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
I would consider the bow tie to be an active choice to troll people, actually. I mean if you want to participate, you can participate. But people wear bowties, so that other people know they are people who wear bowties. Think negatively based on that stimulus as you please, but negative thoughts based on neutral stimuli, is the point of making you define yourself. That's what trolls do, they make others define themselves, based on neutral stimuli. A bowtie is neutral. We get to claim that. It's not a swastika.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
I would consider the bow tie to be an active choice to troll people, actually. I mean if you want to participate, you can participate. But people wear bowties, so that other people know they are people who wear bowties. Think negatively based on that stimulus as you please, but negative thoughts based on neutral stimuli, is the point of making you define yourself. That's what trolls do, they make others define themselves, based on neutral stimuli. A bowtie is neutral. We get to claim that. It's not a swastika.
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
I would consider the bow tie to be an active choice to troll people, actually. I mean if you want to participate, you can participate. But people wear bowties, so that other people know they are people who wear bowties. Think negatively based on that stimulus as you please, but negative thoughts based on neutral stimuli, is the point of making you define yourself. That's what trolls do, they make others define themselves, based on neutral stimuli. A bowtie is neutral. We get to claim that. It's not a swastika.
Please, educate me some more on trolling
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@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
I would consider the bow tie to be an active choice to troll people, actually. I mean if you want to participate, you can participate. But people wear bowties, so that other people know they are people who wear bowties. Think negatively based on that stimulus as you please, but negative thoughts based on neutral stimuli, is the point of making you define yourself. That's what trolls do, they make others define themselves, based on neutral stimuli. A bowtie is neutral. We get to claim that. It's not a swastika.
Please, educate me some more on trolling
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
I would consider the bow tie to be an active choice to troll people, actually. I mean if you want to participate, you can participate. But people wear bowties, so that other people know they are people who wear bowties. Think negatively based on that stimulus as you please, but negative thoughts based on neutral stimuli, is the point of making you define yourself. That's what trolls do, they make others define themselves, based on neutral stimuli. A bowtie is neutral. We get to claim that. It's not a swastika.
Please, educate me some more on trolling
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
No, I don't really go with the whole trans advertising thing, but I think we've been over it a couple of times already. I said I thought the Bud Light advertising campaign was really stupid and is obviously going to be counter-productive. What more is there to say? I've already been chastised for pointing out how fucking horrible the beer is one too many times.
Let's find some more articles that agree with this!
Alternatively, I could have a bit of a laugh at the bloke complaining about the ruling class whilst dressed up to the nines. I know, I know, my stupid jokes aren't going to save the world, but then again neither are you. I'd rather go to hell with a smile on my face, to be honest.
Lighten up, Francesca.
I would consider the bow tie to be an active choice to troll people, actually. I mean if you want to participate, you can participate. But people wear bowties, so that other people know they are people who wear bowties. Think negatively based on that stimulus as you please, but negative thoughts based on neutral stimuli, is the point of making you define yourself. That's what trolls do, they make others define themselves, based on neutral stimuli. A bowtie is neutral. We get to claim that. It's not a swastika.
Please, educate me some more on trolling
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
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@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
The message isn't the troll, the accoutrements may be.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
The message isn't the troll, the accoutrements may be.
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
The message isn't the troll, the accoutrements may be.
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@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
The message isn't the troll, the accoutrements may be.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ruling Class:
@Horace said in The Ruling Class:
I was claiming that the bow tie was the troll trapping.
Sure. I thought maybe he was trying to emulate that other great thinker, Doctor Who. Or possibly that other bloke, the one you like.
TBH, I'm not sure The Epoch Times really does trolling. Of course, it's a little hard to tell.
The message isn't the troll, the accoutrements may be.
Yeah that fits. He’s a troll, he dresses as a troll, and he has some ideas that aren’t necessarily trollish. He is maximizing his own publicity, and you can’t do that without the clothing.
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@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
Then educate. I'll listen...
Just as a caveat, look, I've presented work to marketing VPs whose marketing budgets are orders of magnitude larger than Anheuser-Busch's. I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've been in the damn meetings where stupid shit like this sometimes happens.
Alissa Gordon Heinerscheid doesn’t suck at her job because she’s detached from regular life. A LOT of marketing VPs are completely divorced from the experience you and I might call reality. And yet they don’t make decisions like these.
It’s because the good ones are unashamedly empathetic about who buys their stuff. Fundamentalist Christian potato farmer? Apple fanboi digital nomad? Doesn’t matter, they embrace whoever their audience is with open arms and try to build a stronger relationship with them.
Where Heinerscheid fucked up is where a lot of politicians fuck up. It’s not really about the influence they have or the bubble they’re in. Those are just inevitable consequences. She’s lost her empathy for the people who give her money. She started thinking her job was to define a culture, not champion it.
That would be my preferred way in for the broader conversation, too. We have an empathy problem, not a class problem. And it’s exacerbated by technology eroding the number of acquaintances we have that live outside of our own bubbles.
I would venture out and guess that it explains modern social epidemics, the new racism, basically everything.
But I freaking know it's how stupid ads get made. Every time.@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ruling Class:
@Jolly said in The Ruling Class:
You're worried about who wrote the opinion piece and not about some transgendered professional actor mocking women everywhere?
Typical.
For me personally, what I'm saying is that he used the transbeer fiasco as an entryway into a whole lot of other arguments. But the problem is, he didn't do his research and he clearly doesn't have a clue how shit like this actually happens.
So his entire analysis is built on a classism house of cards that plays well to his base, but sure as shit doesn't educate.
Then educate. I'll listen...
Just as a caveat, look, I've presented work to marketing VPs whose marketing budgets are orders of magnitude larger than Anheuser-Busch's. I'm not talking out of my ass here, I've been in the damn meetings where stupid shit like this sometimes happens.
Alissa Gordon Heinerscheid doesn’t suck at her job because she’s detached from regular life. A LOT of marketing VPs are completely divorced from the experience you and I might call reality. And yet they don’t make decisions like these.
It’s because the good ones are unashamedly empathetic about who buys their stuff. Fundamentalist Christian potato farmer? Apple fanboi digital nomad? Doesn’t matter, they embrace whoever their audience is with open arms and try to build a stronger relationship with them.
Where Heinerscheid fucked up is where a lot of politicians fuck up. It’s not really about the influence they have or the bubble they’re in. Those are just inevitable consequences. She’s lost her empathy for the people who give her money. She started thinking her job was to define a culture, not champion it.
That would be my preferred way in for the broader conversation, too. We have an empathy problem, not a class problem. And it’s exacerbated by technology eroding the number of acquaintances we have that live outside of our own bubbles.
I would venture out and guess that it explains modern social epidemics, the new racism, basically everything.
But I freaking know it's how stupid ads get made. Every time.But her underlying motive is not bad... She's trying to increase sales by cultivating a different segment of the market. Most Bud Lite drinkers are middle-aged and older guys, trying to watch their waistlines.
So if you want to appeal to a younger crowd, while still maintaining your base, seems like she could have picked a better face to front her campaign.
I'm just gob-smacked this didn't show up in focus group testing...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly
I'm real sorry about your perpetual rage and everything, but be advised, Biden is not my president.
