New Women’s Weightlifting Record!
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Fun fact: I was a member of the CPU, competed in a Masters II class, and Avi coached me in 2 prep workshops in 2016. He sent me my letter saying I qualified for the provincials & regionals. The guy has a Masters in Kinesiology, rocks as a coach, has total cred among lifters. My squat & bench improved ++ with his help. I still remember his words (although I don’t lift anymore). I hesitated commenting on the trans issue prior, because at the time (2016), I didn’t know what to think & was just beginning to understand the culture with powerlifters. I’m so glad Avi is mocking it. Trans lifters need their own separate class. At the least, their names need to appear with an asterisk in the rankings.
@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
Fun fact: I was a member of the CPU, competed in a Masters II class, and Avi coached me in 2 prep workshops in 2016. He sent me my letter saying I qualified for the provincials & regionals. The guy has a Masters in Kinesiology, rocks as a coach, has total cred among lifters. My squat & bench improved ++ with his help. I still remember his words (although I don’t lift anymore). I hesitated commenting on the trans issue prior, because at the time (2016), I didn’t know what to think & was just beginning to understand the culture with powerlifters. I’m so glad Avi is mocking it. Trans lifters need their own separate class. At the least, their names need to appear with an asterisk in the rankings.
Wow! That’s really cool that you have met him and trained with him! It also is good to know that you would kick my ass, as well… I will always treat your posts as the valuable insights they are.
Does powerlifting have weight classes, similar to boxing and wrestling?
The Brad
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Fun fact: I was a member of the CPU, competed in a Masters II class, and Avi coached me in 2 prep workshops in 2016. He sent me my letter saying I qualified for the provincials & regionals. The guy has a Masters in Kinesiology, rocks as a coach, has total cred among lifters. My squat & bench improved ++ with his help. I still remember his words (although I don’t lift anymore). I hesitated commenting on the trans issue prior, because at the time (2016), I didn’t know what to think & was just beginning to understand the culture with powerlifters. I’m so glad Avi is mocking it. Trans lifters need their own separate class. At the least, their names need to appear with an asterisk in the rankings.
@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
Trans lifters need their own separate class.
There you go.
You're "trans?" Compete with/against the same of your kind. Ditto for swimmers, runners, etc.
Of course, one has to wonder how long it'll be before "trans men" complain about competing against "trans women."
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@LuFins-Dad I don’t know anything of boxing, but in PL there’s your age (I was a Masters 2), your weight class (I forget, but I was 80 kgs that year), and I do remember some did ‘bench only’ either equipped (that’s shirted especially for tension) or non-equipped… and I think that’s called “classic”. I competed in all 3 lifts. This was a long time ago, but I doubt it’s changed. Then, very few women my age competed nationally. Avi’s graduate work, as I recall, had to do with women lifters, or maybe older lifters, like me. He trained his own mom to compete (I think she was 65). I still remember him telling me “2 steps back for your squat, 1 step max to re-position”. He was big into not expending excess energy prior to squatting. Same with creating tension for your bench.
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@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
Fun fact: I was a member of the CPU, competed in a Masters II class, and Avi coached me in 2 prep workshops in 2016. He sent me my letter saying I qualified for the provincials & regionals. The guy has a Masters in Kinesiology, rocks as a coach, has total cred among lifters. My squat & bench improved ++ with his help. I still remember his words (although I don’t lift anymore). I hesitated commenting on the trans issue prior, because at the time (2016), I didn’t know what to think & was just beginning to understand the culture with powerlifters. I’m so glad Avi is mocking it. Trans lifters need their own separate class. At the least, their names need to appear with an asterisk in the rankings.
Wow! That’s really cool that you have met him and trained with him! It also is good to know that you would kick my ass, as well… I will always treat your posts as the valuable insights they are.
Does powerlifting have weight classes, similar to boxing and wrestling?
@LuFins-Dad said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
Fun fact: I was a member of the CPU, competed in a Masters II class, and Avi coached me in 2 prep workshops in 2016. He sent me my letter saying I qualified for the provincials & regionals. The guy has a Masters in Kinesiology, rocks as a coach, has total cred among lifters. My squat & bench improved ++ with his help. I still remember his words (although I don’t lift anymore). I hesitated commenting on the trans issue prior, because at the time (2016), I didn’t know what to think & was just beginning to understand the culture with powerlifters. I’m so glad Avi is mocking it. Trans lifters need their own separate class. At the least, their names need to appear with an asterisk in the rankings.
Wow! That’s really cool that you have met him and trained with him! It also is good to know that you would kick my ass, as well… I will always treat your posts as the valuable insights they are.
Does powerlifting have weight classes, similar to boxing and wrestling?
Shit, LF, my cats would kick your ass.
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@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
Trans lifters need their own separate class.
There you go.
You're "trans?" Compete with/against the same of your kind. Ditto for swimmers, runners, etc.
Of course, one has to wonder how long it'll be before "trans men" complain about competing against "trans women."
@George-K said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
Trans lifters need their own separate class.
There you go.
You're "trans?" Compete with/against the same of your kind. Ditto for swimmers, runners, etc.
Of course, one has to wonder how long it'll be before "trans men" complain about competing against "trans women."
You know what could really suck? These competitions are lengthy all day or 2 day affairs. First it’s squat, then it’s bench, then DL. Many competitors. 2 sexes. Multiple weight classes. Heaviest go last… Jockeying with others to practice on a set number of racks, platforms, warming up with your lifts,, trying to time it just right prior to your turn, then waiting around til it’s your turn to lift having your class cluttered up with a trans here , a trans there. This must be frustrating … because they don’t belong alongside of you in the first place. I can’t imagine how it would feel standing getting a medal alongside someone who doesn’t belong.
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Interesting…
https://www.swimming.org/swimengland/swim-england-transgender-non-binary-competition-policy/
Swim England’s updated transgender and non-binary competition policy has inclusion and fairness at its very heart.
In order for all aquatic disciplines to be enjoyed as sport, there must be inclusive opportunities for transgender participants to compete.
However, it is widely recognised that fairness of competition must be protected and Swim England believes the creation of open and female categories is the best way to achieve this.
These categories are designated as:
Female – athletes with a birth sex of female
Open – athletes with a birth sex of male, trans or non-binary competitors and any competitor not eligible for the female category
The updated policy ensures there are entry-level competitive opportunities for transgender people to participate in the majority of our disciplines within their gender identity.In order to progress further, however, the Female/Open categories are utilised as a means to protect fair competition within the sporting pathway.
Peer-reviewed examples confirm the general consensus that post-puberty transgender females retain a biological level of performance advantage post-transition.
Whilst Swim England’s existing policy regarding the use of hormonal therapy was found to be effective at reducing performance advantage, it was insufficient to negate it completely and trans females therefore likely retain an advantage over their cisgender peers.
As a result, Swim England believes that the restriction of certain competition to birth sex females to be justified and proportionate in the pursuit of fair competition.
This policy refers only to Swim England competition (including those organised by our member Regions, Counties and Clubs) and will be implemented on 1 September 2023.
Those that participate in aquatics recreationally should be able to do so, in a fully-inclusive environment, free from discrimination.
In order to achieve this, Swim England will continue to support operators to provide a varied pool programme, catering for the many demographics found in our communities across England.
The transgender and non-binary competition policy for each discipline can be downloaded below where a number of frequently asked questions can also be viewed.
Further resources will be published by Swim England ahead of the policy coming into effect.
Anyone with further questions or wanting more information about the policy should email equality@swimming.org
The Brad
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Interesting…
https://www.swimming.org/swimengland/swim-england-transgender-non-binary-competition-policy/
Swim England’s updated transgender and non-binary competition policy has inclusion and fairness at its very heart.
In order for all aquatic disciplines to be enjoyed as sport, there must be inclusive opportunities for transgender participants to compete.
However, it is widely recognised that fairness of competition must be protected and Swim England believes the creation of open and female categories is the best way to achieve this.
These categories are designated as:
Female – athletes with a birth sex of female
Open – athletes with a birth sex of male, trans or non-binary competitors and any competitor not eligible for the female category
The updated policy ensures there are entry-level competitive opportunities for transgender people to participate in the majority of our disciplines within their gender identity.In order to progress further, however, the Female/Open categories are utilised as a means to protect fair competition within the sporting pathway.
Peer-reviewed examples confirm the general consensus that post-puberty transgender females retain a biological level of performance advantage post-transition.
Whilst Swim England’s existing policy regarding the use of hormonal therapy was found to be effective at reducing performance advantage, it was insufficient to negate it completely and trans females therefore likely retain an advantage over their cisgender peers.
As a result, Swim England believes that the restriction of certain competition to birth sex females to be justified and proportionate in the pursuit of fair competition.
This policy refers only to Swim England competition (including those organised by our member Regions, Counties and Clubs) and will be implemented on 1 September 2023.
Those that participate in aquatics recreationally should be able to do so, in a fully-inclusive environment, free from discrimination.
In order to achieve this, Swim England will continue to support operators to provide a varied pool programme, catering for the many demographics found in our communities across England.
The transgender and non-binary competition policy for each discipline can be downloaded below where a number of frequently asked questions can also be viewed.
Further resources will be published by Swim England ahead of the policy coming into effect.
Anyone with further questions or wanting more information about the policy should email equality@swimming.org
@LuFins-Dad If I read that correctly (not guaranteed, because I've only started my coffee), if you have a pair of X chromosomes, you can compete in the "Female" category. Y chromosome carriers not permitted.
Anyone can compete in the open.
Did I read that right?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I’m waiting for the day the gender fluids, the intersexed, etc. raise issues of their discrimination, inclusivity, etc. This will happen eventually.
@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
I’m waiting for the day the gender fluids, the intersexed, etc. raise issues of their discrimination, inclusivity, etc. This will happen eventually.
They've been doing so for several years down here.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@LuFins-Dad If I read that correctly (not guaranteed, because I've only started my coffee), if you have a pair of X chromosomes, you can compete in the "Female" category. Y chromosome carriers not permitted.
Anyone can compete in the open.
Did I read that right?
@George-K said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
@LuFins-Dad If I read that correctly (not guaranteed, because I've only started my coffee), if you have a pair of X chromosomes, you can compete in the "Female" category. Y chromosome carriers not permitted.
Anyone can compete in the open.
Did I read that right?
Yep. No normal dude category. Trans Men seems to be in a little bit of no man’s land. Obviously they can compete in the open category, but can they compete in the XX league? Even if on testosterone?
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@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
I’m waiting for the day the gender fluids, the intersexed, etc. raise issues of their discrimination, inclusivity, etc. This will happen eventually.
They've been doing so for several years down here.
@Mik said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
@blondie said in New Women’s Weightlifting Record!:
I’m waiting for the day the gender fluids, the intersexed, etc. raise issues of their discrimination, inclusivity, etc. This will happen eventually.
They've been doing so for several years down here.
I think Blondie is referring to the genuinely transgendered/intersexed. That very small group that do have both sets of genitalia.
