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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1552

    Bread for Bombs

    Russia is actively looking to acquire weapons and munitions from North Korea in exchange for food, a U.S. National Security Council official said.

    The potential arrangement is being brokered by a Slovakian arms dealer, NSC spokesman John Kirby said in a virtual briefing with reporters Thursday.

    "We remain concerned that North Korea will provide further support [of] Russia's military operations against Ukraine and we have new information that Russia is actively seeking to acquire additional munitions from North Korea," Kirby said.

    "We also understand that Russia is seeking to send a delegation to North Korea and that Russia is offering North Korea food in exchange for munitions," he added.

    "Russia has lost over 9,000 pieces of heavy military equipment since the start of the war, and thanks in part to multilateral sanctions and export controls, Putin has become increasingly desperate to replace them," Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a statement about Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    "Schemes like the arms deal pursued by this individual show that Putin is turning to suppliers of last resort like Iran and the DPRK," she said.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #1553

      Interesting.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1554

        Assassination of a pro-war blogger:

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        One of Russia’s most influential pro-Kremlin war bloggers, Vladlen Tatarsky, was killed in a blast at a restaurant in St Petersburg on Sunday.

        The incident took place at around 6pm local time, in the centrally located Universitetskaya Embankment, according to the ministry of internal affairs, which confirmed Tatarsky’s death.

        St Petersburg governor Alexander Beglov said that 25 people had been injured, with 19 of them hospitalised. Russia’s state investigative committee has opened a criminal case of “murder by a publicly dangerous method”.

        Tatarsky, whose real name was Maxim Fomin and who has more than 560,000 subscribers to his Telegram channel, was meeting supporters and subscribers in the restaurant.

        According to local news outlet Fontanka, an unknown woman handed Tatarsky a statuette of himself, possibly stuffed with explosives, that exploded about five minutes later. The Ren-TV channel posted a video showing Tatarsky taking the figurine out of a bag and looking at it, film allegedly shot by a social media user directly before the explosion.

        The venue has alleged links to Wagner mercenary group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin.

        Fontanka reported that Prigozhin had owned two different cafés in the same location as the restaurant where the explosion took place. The bar located there now hosts a discussion club at weekends called “Cyberfront Z” — Z being a symbol of those supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

        Tatarsky is one of the most prominent pro-Kremlin “military correspondents” and a native of Makiivka in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine. He had fought on the side of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic as well as for units of the Luhansk People’s Republic.

        Last year, his popularity increased after his video from a ceremony at the Kremlin celebrating the annexation of Ukraine’s occupied regions went viral. Tatarsky was shown in it, saying: “We’ll defeat everyone. We’ll kill everyone. We’ll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it.”

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1555

          Delusion on a mass scale.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #1556

            Stepan Bandera smiled from the grave.

            Elbows up!

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            • George KG George K

              Assassination of a pro-war blogger:

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              https://www.ft.com/content/e0823df3-e5ec-4c44-a111-a0c311e3e107

              One of Russia’s most influential pro-Kremlin war bloggers, Vladlen Tatarsky, was killed in a blast at a restaurant in St Petersburg on Sunday.

              The incident took place at around 6pm local time, in the centrally located Universitetskaya Embankment, according to the ministry of internal affairs, which confirmed Tatarsky’s death.

              St Petersburg governor Alexander Beglov said that 25 people had been injured, with 19 of them hospitalised. Russia’s state investigative committee has opened a criminal case of “murder by a publicly dangerous method”.

              Tatarsky, whose real name was Maxim Fomin and who has more than 560,000 subscribers to his Telegram channel, was meeting supporters and subscribers in the restaurant.

              According to local news outlet Fontanka, an unknown woman handed Tatarsky a statuette of himself, possibly stuffed with explosives, that exploded about five minutes later. The Ren-TV channel posted a video showing Tatarsky taking the figurine out of a bag and looking at it, film allegedly shot by a social media user directly before the explosion.

              The venue has alleged links to Wagner mercenary group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin.

              Fontanka reported that Prigozhin had owned two different cafés in the same location as the restaurant where the explosion took place. The bar located there now hosts a discussion club at weekends called “Cyberfront Z” — Z being a symbol of those supporting Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

              Tatarsky is one of the most prominent pro-Kremlin “military correspondents” and a native of Makiivka in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine. He had fought on the side of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic as well as for units of the Luhansk People’s Republic.

              Last year, his popularity increased after his video from a ceremony at the Kremlin celebrating the annexation of Ukraine’s occupied regions went viral. Tatarsky was shown in it, saying: “We’ll defeat everyone. We’ll kill everyone. We’ll rob everyone we need to. Everything will be as we like it.”

              George KG Offline
              George KG Offline
              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1557

              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Assassination of a pro-war blogger:

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

              RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
              • George KG George K

                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Assassination of a pro-war blogger:

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #1558

                @George-K

                Round up the usual suspects.

                Lautman is right though, there is no reason for Ukrainians to trust Navalny and his followers:

                https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/3/4/why-ukraine-is-wary-of-the-russian-opposition

                Elbows up!

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @George-K

                  Round up the usual suspects.

                  Lautman is right though, there is no reason for Ukrainians to trust Navalny and his followers:

                  https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/3/4/why-ukraine-is-wary-of-the-russian-opposition

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1559

                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  there is no reason for Ukrainians to trust Navalny

                  Why do you say that. Do you think Navalny is a Russian expansionist, even from prison?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
                    RenaudaR Offline
                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1560

                    Navalny is all about fighting the corruption of Putin’s regime. He not about liberal democracy or giving up Russia’s past.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      Navalny is all about fighting the corruption of Putin’s regime. He not about liberal democracy or giving up Russia’s past.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1561

                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      Navalny is all about fighting the corruption of Putin’s regime.

                      That I knew.

                      He not about liberal democracy or giving up Russia’s past.

                      That's what I was wondering about.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        Navalny is all about fighting the corruption of Putin’s regime. He not about liberal democracy or giving up Russia’s past.

                        MikM Offline
                        MikM Offline
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1562

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Navalny is all about fighting the corruption of Putin’s regime. He not about liberal democracy or giving up Russia’s past.

                        To fix it or so that he can be the one running and profiting from the corruption?

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Navalny is all about fighting the corruption of Putin’s regime. He not about liberal democracy or giving up Russia’s past.

                          To fix it or so that he can be the one running and profiting from the corruption?

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #1563

                          @Mik

                          Too early to know, although Navalny’s recent outpouring of sympathy for Ukraine should not be considered outright support:

                          https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/accusations-of-colonialist-thinking-ukrainians-angered-by-messages-from-russian-opposition-leader-navalny-a-c4557ce5-c761-4306-9e9a-afdc07125ab0

                          Navalny is the darling of the liberal West and its media for no other reason than he is Putin’s enemy. People here really no idea of what Navalny believes. Navalny is to Putin what Trotsky was to Stalin.

                          I have never been much of a fan of Navalny given his past association and support of Russian nationalists.

                          https://www.rferl.org/amp/navalny-failure-to-renounce-nationalist-past-support/31122014.html

                          https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-evolution-of-alexey-navalnys-nationalism

                          Elbows up!

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1564

                            Russia releases video of suspect

                            Russian investigators have detained a woman in their hunt for the killers of pro-war blogger Vladlen Tatarsky in Sunday's blast at a St Petersburg cafe.
                            In video released by authorities - most likely recorded under duress - Darya Trepova is heard admitting she handed over a statuette that later blew up.
                            But the 26-year-old does not say she knew there would be an explosion, nor does she admit any further role.
                            Investigators said they had evidence the attack was organised from Ukraine.
                            However, Kyiv officials said it was a case of Russian infighting.
                            More than 30 people were wounded in the bombing in Russia's second city.
                            Tatarsky (real name Maxim Fomin), aged 40, had been attending a patriotic meeting with supporters in the cafe as a guest speaker late on Sunday afternoon.
                            A video circulating on social media showed a young woman in a brown coat apparently entering the cafe with a cardboard box.
                            Images showed the box being placed on a table in the cafe before the woman sat down. Another video showed a statue being handed to Tatarsky.
                            In a brief excerpt of her interrogation released by the Russian authorities, Darya Trepova appeared under duress as she sighed repeatedly.
                            When her interrogator asked if she knew why she was detained, she replied: "I would say for being at the scene of Vladlen Tatarsky's murder... I brought the statuette there which blew up."
                            Asked who gave it to her she responded: "Can I tell you later please?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1565

                              The Russian Military Is Destroying Itself

                              The British Military Intelligence has assessed that “a significant minority” of Russian casualties in Ukraine have been caused “due to non-combat causes.

                              Non-combat deaths are normal on a battlefield. But Russian Telegram news channels report “extremely high” numbers of deaths linked to alcohol consumption and crime.

                              “Other leading causes of non-combat casualties likely include poor weapon handing drills, road traffic accidents and climatic injuries such as hypothermia. Russian commanders likely identify pervasive alcohol abuse as particularly detrimental to combat effectiveness,” the British Military Intelligence assessed in its latest estimate on the war.

                              Although completely foreign to Western professional miliary forces, alcohol consumption is an integral part of Russian culture, especially Russian military culture.

                              “However, with heavy drinking pervasive across much of Russian society, it has long been seen as a tacitly accepted part of military life, even on combat operations,” the British Military Intelligence added.

                              Interestingly, the British Military Intelligence assessed that the Russian forces have lost up to 200,000 troops and didn’t corroborate the U.S. intelligence figure of more than 220,000 Russians killed or wounded. It is additionally perplexing because British Defense Minister Ben Wallace was the one who cited the U.S. intelligence figures earlier in the week.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1566

                                Old skool...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1567

                                  Bill Clinton’s remorse:

                                  https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0404/1374162-clinton-ukraine/

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    Bill Clinton’s remorse:

                                    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0404/1374162-clinton-ukraine/

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1568

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Bill Clinton’s remorse:

                                    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0404/1374162-clinton-ukraine/

                                    I saw that story yesterday. Do you think Ukraine would have actually used nukes if Russia invaded?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Bill Clinton’s remorse:

                                      https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2023/0404/1374162-clinton-ukraine/

                                      I saw that story yesterday. Do you think Ukraine would have actually used nukes if Russia invaded?

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #1569

                                      @George-K

                                      Don’t know. However the presence of nuclear weapons under Ukrainian control would have served as a credible deterrent against invasion or unilateral annexation of Ukrainian territory.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1570

                                        Hard to say, but I think it would have been more of a deterrent. At the time I suspect we were thinking Ukraine would be part of NATO.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          Hard to say, but I think it would have been more of a deterrent. At the time I suspect we were thinking Ukraine would be part of NATO.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1571

                                          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Hard to say, but I think it would have been more of a deterrent. At the time I suspect we were thinking Ukraine would be part of NATO.

                                          Not that I recall at the time or, from what I have subsequently read. Russia wanted all the Soviet nuclear weapons in former republics on Russian soil. The US, Britain and France also wanted the the nukes out of all former republics except Russia. Kazakhstan gave up all weapons with no or few strings attached. Ukraine on the other hand, bartered the weapons for energy and security guarantees from Russia and billions of dollars in aid from the US and Britain to decommission, clean up and encapsulate the Chernobyl reactor site and its surroundings.

                                          Elbows up!

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