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Disney 1, DeSantis 0

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  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
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    #1

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-disney-new-reedy-creek-board-powerless-20230329-qalagcs4wjfe3iwkpzjsz2v4qm-story.html

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      jon-nyc
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      #2

      A better title might be “Your move, Ron”, as I doubt this is over.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        #3

        When I clicked it it popped up all sorts of shady stuff like hijacking your computer.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          When I clicked it it popped up all sorts of shady stuff like hijacking your computer.

          jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #4

          @Mik If you’re interested just Google “Disney reedy creek” and you’ll see stories on it from other outlets.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            Copper
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            So now Disney can peddle porn to children again.

            Or whatever they were doing, I don't really remember, but it was evil.

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              #6

              But I thought DeSantis had pulled back?

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                But I thought DeSantis had pulled back?

                jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #7

                @LuFins-Dad

                He meant to blow up the development Corp altogether and put the functions back in municipalities like your town or mine. That failed for the reasons Disney immediately predicted (billions of debt would have followed the functions to these small municipalities).

                So he renamed the Corp.

                But apparently (and I didn’t realize this) he put his guys in charge of it.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  #8

                  That declaration is valid until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England living as of the date of this declaration,”

                  lolz

                  I was only joking

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #9

                    DeSantis 2, Disney 0

                    https://jonathanturley.org/2023/04/17/disneys-wild-ride-desantis-appointed-board-set-to-declare-disneys-unchecked-authority-null-and-void/

                    The Brad

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
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                      #10

                      Meh. Still tied. Now it goes to court.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                        DeSantis floats idea of state prison near Disney park
                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65305166

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                          taiwan_girl
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                          I agree that Disney should not have special "perks" that other companies do not get, it seems like Gov. DeSantis is doing this the wrong way. He could have handled it much better and not made it so personal. Makes him look petty.

                          I can see Disney Co. quietly funding a campaign about small local businesses losing money because less tourists come to Orlando

                          increased hotel tax
                          increased tolls
                          decreased property values.
                          etc.

                          Probably, Florida needs Disney more than Disney needs Florida.

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                            They, like 1000 other “special districts”, got the status because it simply made sense for all involved.

                            I don’t think it’s a question if need, really it’s that DeSantis will come and go, Disney is forever.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #14

                              DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren are cut from the same cloth. It’s shocking how few people see that, and are ok with with it conceptually, as long as the right companies are being threatened.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren are cut from the same cloth. It’s shocking how few people see that, and are ok with with it conceptually, as long as the right companies are being threatened.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Disney 1, DeSantis 0:

                                DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren are cut from the same cloth.

                                Injuns?

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren are cut from the same cloth. It’s shocking how few people see that, and are ok with with it conceptually, as long as the right companies are being threatened.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Disney 1, DeSantis 0:

                                  DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren are cut from the same cloth. It’s shocking how few people see that, and are ok with with it conceptually, as long as the right companies are being threatened.

                                  I'm sure that's trivially true, in that they are both politicians who do things to appeal to the base.

                                  But if you would like to attempt to establish in the heads of other forum members, the extent to which they are tribally motivated rather than principled, I would suggest you respond to my thought experiment, which you've avoided twice before:

                                  If a private company in California, with an established business relationship with the state, decided to come out as conservative, anti-gay-marriage, and anti-abortion, what would you think about the government of California adjusting the business relationships with that company, within the law?

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Disney 1, DeSantis 0:

                                    DeSantis and Elizabeth Warren are cut from the same cloth. It’s shocking how few people see that, and are ok with with it conceptually, as long as the right companies are being threatened.

                                    I'm sure that's trivially true, in that they are both politicians who do things to appeal to the base.

                                    But if you would like to attempt to establish in the heads of other forum members, the extent to which they are tribally motivated rather than principled, I would suggest you respond to my thought experiment, which you've avoided twice before:

                                    If a private company in California, with an established business relationship with the state, decided to come out as conservative, anti-gay-marriage, and anti-abortion, what would you think about the government of California adjusting the business relationships with that company, within the law?

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #17

                                    @Horace It seems unlikely, which is why I thought Disney would just take this to court earlier.

                                    But it's not a trivial resemblance - what you describe is true of any and all politicians. What these two have in common is they both like to use state power to punish private entities they don't like, and have proposed permanent structures where they would have continuous leverage over such entities, in order to keep them in line in an ongoing manner. The only differences are the companies and the definitions of 'in line'.

                                    THat's not something you can say about every politician.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      @Horace It seems unlikely, which is why I thought Disney would just take this to court earlier.

                                      But it's not a trivial resemblance - what you describe is true of any and all politicians. What these two have in common is they both like to use state power to punish private entities they don't like, and have proposed permanent structures where they would have continuous leverage over such entities, in order to keep them in line in an ongoing manner. The only differences are the companies and the definitions of 'in line'.

                                      THat's not something you can say about every politician.

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                                      @jon-nyc said in Disney 1, DeSantis 0:

                                      @Horace It seems unlikely, which is why I thought Disney would just take this to court earlier.

                                      But it's not a trivial resemblance - what you describe is true of any and all politicians. What these two have in common is they both like to use state power to punish private entities they don't like, and have proposed permanent structures where they would have continuous leverage over such entities, in order to keep them in line in an ongoing manner. The only differences are the companies and the definitions of 'in line'.

                                      THat's not something you can say about every politician.

                                      Duly noted that you avoid my thought experiment for a third time. I suggest you recall it next time you want to use your DeSantis/Disney cudgel on TNCR. Which I guess will be within a few weeks.

                                      It's just that you use it to attempt to establish that somehow some of us are less objective to others. And then you face plant in your attempts to establish that.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        How on earth did I avoid it? I strongly believe it would be illegal. The legal podcasts I listen to think so. The scotus precedent was out of Illinois, IIRC the case had the word O’Hare in the title. I’m pretty sure it would protect your hypothetical company and I’m pretty sure it would protect Disney.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          How on earth did I avoid it? I strongly believe it would be illegal. The legal podcasts I listen to think so. The scotus precedent was out of Illinois, IIRC the case had the word O’Hare in the title. I’m pretty sure it would protect your hypothetical company and I’m pretty sure it would protect Disney.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Disney 1, DeSantis 0:

                                          How on earth did I avoid it? I strongly believe it would be illegal. The legal podcasts I listen to think so. The scotus precedent was out of Illinois, IIRC the case had the word O’Hare in the title. I’m pretty sure it would protect your hypothetical company and I’m pretty sure it would protect Disney.

                                          No. I'm wondering if you would have an issue if a private company in California, with an established business relationship with the state, decided to come out as conservative, anti-gay-marriage, and anti-abortion, what would you think about the government of California adjusting the business relationships with that company, within the law?

                                          Oh, now you're pretending you're gonna be the guy to use that as a cudgel here on TNCR? Really? Because the rest of us are probably not buying that...

                                          Education is extremely important.

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