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Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #2

    Biden has been a political hack all if his life, with a belief system somewhat like a reed in a tornado.

    He's not going to do anything.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      There are some simple things we can debate about and choose from...

      1. Raising retirement ages.
      2. Eliminate benefits at 62.
      3. Take the ceiling off of the SS tax.
      4. Keep the benefit ceiling.
      5. Raise the SS tax.
      6. Let young people opt for the traditional system or a hybrid model.
      7. Means test benefits.
      8. Restructure inflation benefits.

      There's more, but y'all get the drift...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        The thing is, raising full retirement age by another year or so over the next 15 years is a pretty reasonable step, but everyone will be up in arms over it for political points…

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #5

          I kind of like my idea of having SS hold all Federal Student Loans..

          The Brad

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          • CopperC Offline
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            #6

            Just give me mine

            After that, whatever

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              #7

              Probably only a bipartisan fix is possible, and that won't happen until "default" is imminent. By "default" I mean the day that the checks are short.

              I think in our current political climate bipartisan compromises on big issues are only going to happen under an imminent exogenous threat to the status quo.

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                I intended to wait until age 70 to maximize my SS income.

                But now I think I'll start 10 months before the max. It's not a big deal, just a small hedge against the unspeakable.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  I'm subject to WEP. The WEP makes you weep. Since my benefits will be cut by 60+% and my wife is subject to GPO, meaning she doesn't get a dime, I ain't waiting until 70.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    70 is about 16 months away, and I gain $500 a month by waiting.

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                    • kluursK kluurs

                      70 is about 16 months away, and I gain $500 a month by waiting.

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                      George K
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                      @kluurs said in Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS:

                      70 is about 16 months away, and I gain $500 a month by waiting.

                      As @jolly pointed out, those actuaries at Social Security are good. The benefit you get by waiting until 70 is nice, but your lifetime benefit, if you started earlier works out to be about the same.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @kluurs said in Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS:

                        70 is about 16 months away, and I gain $500 a month by waiting.

                        As @jolly pointed out, those actuaries at Social Security are good. The benefit you get by waiting until 70 is nice, but your lifetime benefit, if you started earlier works out to be about the same.

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                        @George-K said in Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS:

                        works out to be about the same.

                        If I wait until age 70, the break even point is around age 83.

                        By starting at 69 years and 2 months, the break even will still be in my 80s.

                        Of course it matters what you do with that time. Collecting a little extra money at age 85 doesn't help much if you can't do what you want with it.

                        Like any insurance scheme it is important to know exactly when you will die, many years in advance.

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                        • CopperC Copper

                          @George-K said in Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS:

                          works out to be about the same.

                          If I wait until age 70, the break even point is around age 83.

                          By starting at 69 years and 2 months, the break even will still be in my 80s.

                          Of course it matters what you do with that time. Collecting a little extra money at age 85 doesn't help much if you can't do what you want with it.

                          Like any insurance scheme it is important to know exactly when you will die, many years in advance.

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                          George K
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                          @Copper said in Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS:

                          Like any insurance scheme it is important to know exactly when you will die, many years in advance.

                          THat's almost as important as picking the right parents.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            MFR took it at 62, me at 64. We both had very high amounts, so with a pension we don’t touch our investments until RMD kicks in.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              MFR took it at 62, me at 64. We both had very high amounts, so with a pension we don’t touch our investments until RMD kicks in.

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                              @Mik said in Doing nothing is the biggest threat to SS:

                              MFR took it at 62, me at 64. We both had very high amounts, so with a pension we don’t touch our investments until RMD kicks in.

                              Back door Roth.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Or...QLAC, perhaps?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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