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What’s up with Trump?

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  • George KG George K

    https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/16/are-trumps-problems-walking-drinking-water-due-hydroxychloroquine-14852

    This past weekend at West Point, President Trump had trouble drinking a glass of water and he displayed an unsteady gait when descending a ramp. It is possible these problems indicate some type of neuropathy. And while it's unlikely, one potential cause is hydroxychloroquine.

    As a vascular surgeon, I am well acquainted with what we call “gait disturbances,” an abnormal walk. I am sure many of you have seen individuals who have suffered from a stroke with partial loss of their leg, which results in a walk that is less fluid.

    There are many diagnostic possibilities responsible for a change in our gait. I am, unfortunately, most familiar with structural alterations, e.g., loss of a portion of the foot, or unequal length of limbs. There can be issues related to injury; think of how we might “limp” after injuring our knee. And there can be neurologic causes, related to nerve injury, that leave the muscles weaker or altering proprioception – the sense of the position of the body in space, which is sensory feedback necessary for balance.

    In watching the video of President Trump walking down the ramp, he does seem to be favoring one leg. To be fair, his explanation that is was a slippery incline may indeed be true.

    But let's now consider the video of him pausing his speech to drink a bit of water. In the video, the president raises a glass, but he can't quite lift it to his mouth. He tilts his head down to get closer to the glass before using his left hand to fully raise the glass to his lips. From a diagnostic point of view, that changes the differential. Because while the gait disturbance has multiple causes, the lifting of the glass suggests a problem of muscular strength.*

    So now, we have issues with two sets of muscles: the legs and arms. It would be odd to have an injury that involved two areas not be reported, especially involving the president. The same holds for structural problems, and that moves neuropathy up the differential list. What could be the source of a new-onset neuropathy? I know little of the president’s medical status. That is, except for one, perhaps salient fact: he said he has been taking hydroxychloroquine.

    Physicians have rightly been concerned about the cardiac effects of this medication on the heart’s rhythm. But hydroxychloroquine has some other, less frequently cited adverse effects. If you read the FDA required package insert under adverse effects, here is what you will find:

    “Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders: Sensorimotor disorder, skeletal muscle myopathy or neuromyopathy leading to progressive weakness and atrophy of proximal muscle groups, depression of tendon reflexes and abnormal nerve conduction.” [Emphasis added]

    Proximal muscles are those closest to our body, like the muscles of the upper arm that raise the arm and hand. Or the muscles of the thigh that are actively involved in all phases of walking. It is not an overly common adverse side effect. It is probably relatively rare, but a quick search uncovered a review of 10 cases of hydroxychloroquine associated neuromyopathy.

    Again, let me emphasize that I am not attempting to diagnose an illness without performing both a careful history or physical examination. I am trying to point out a fallacy in the therapeutic use of medications. as there is always a tradeoff between benefits and risk. Always. In reporting on the president’s decision to treat himself with hydroxychloroquine on May 18, the New York Times reported, “Mr. Trump continued, explaining that his decision to try the drug was based on one of his favorite refrains: ‘What do you have to lose?’”

    What indeed? It would be ironic that the drug President Trump described as a “game-changer” might instead turn out to be a “gait-changer.”

    I have no opinion as to whether this is accurate or not, but that this guy says, "As a vascular surgeon, I am well acquainted with what we call “gait disturbances,” an abnormal walk" is bullshit. He probably knows nothing more about gait disturbances than you or I, other than knowing the language.

    At least in this sensationalistic piece he says, "while it's unlikely." At least he gets the clickbait.

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    @George-K said in What’s up with Trump?:

    At least in this sensationalistic piece he says, "while it's unlikely." At least he gets the clickbait.

    Sleaze. 😠

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      The ad:

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        I bet a lot of Trump haters masturbate to that video.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          I bet a lot of Trump haters masturbate to that video.

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          @Horace said in What’s up with Trump?:

          I bet a lot of Trump haters masturbate to that video.

          Take your opportunities as they arise.

          Speaking of which, those Photo-shopped pictures of Hillary in orange have got to look like a painters radio by now.

          I was only joking

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            George K
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            Fake news:

            Screen Shot 2020-06-23 at 6.43.05 AM.png

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              Fake news:

              Screen Shot 2020-06-23 at 6.43.05 AM.png

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              @George-K Not sure I understand? You are demonstrating the angle of the ramp?

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                Doctor Phibes
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                Is this what I've got to look forward to when I become a geriatric?

                I was only joking

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @George-K Not sure I understand? You are demonstrating the angle of the ramp?

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                  George K
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                  @taiwan_girl said in What’s up with Trump?:

                  @George-K Not sure I understand? You are demonstrating the angle of the ramp?

                  Exactly. The video says 3 degree incline (you can see it in the lower right hand side of the pic I posted).

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    If you look elsewhere you'll find photos that show the ramp is fitted with non-skid pads, so it's not the only fake thing about that whole doddering old fat-guy scenario.

                    I was only joking

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                      Remember this thread when the Presidential debates take place.

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                      • L Loki

                        Remember this thread when the Presidential debates take place.

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                        @Loki said in What’s up with Trump?:

                        Remember this thread when the Presidential debates take place.

                        I have zero confidence in Joe Biden, either. He shouldn't be running. I feel that we're being sadly let down at a time when we need somebody to offer genuine leadership, and the choice is just horrible.

                        Yeah, yeah, I know. Best. President. Ever.

                        I was only joking

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                          @Loki said in What’s up with Trump?:

                          Remember this thread when the Presidential debates take place.

                          I have zero confidence in Joe Biden, either. He shouldn't be running. I feel that we're being sadly let down at a time when we need somebody to offer genuine leadership, and the choice is just horrible.

                          Yeah, yeah, I know. Best. President. Ever.

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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in What’s up with Trump?:

                          @Loki said in What’s up with Trump?:

                          Remember this thread when the Presidential debates take place.

                          I have zero confidence in Joe Biden, either. He shouldn't be running. I feel that we're being sadly let down at a time when we need somebody to offer genuine leadership, and the choice is just horrible.

                          Yeah, yeah, I know. Best. President. Ever.

                          It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ ran for President. You still wouldn't like him.😄

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            He’s ineligible anyway.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              He’s ineligible anyway.

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                              @jon-nyc said in What’s up with Trump?:

                              He’s ineligible anyway.

                              Another disgusting fact we can thank the Left for..

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                              • LarryL Larry

                                @jon-nyc said in What’s up with Trump?:

                                He’s ineligible anyway.

                                Another disgusting fact we can thank the Left for..

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                                @Larry said in What’s up with Trump?:

                                @jon-nyc said in What’s up with Trump?:

                                He’s ineligible anyway.

                                Another disgusting fact we can thank the Left for..

                                Despite what you may have been told, Jesus wasn't American.

                                I was only joking

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                                  Larry
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                                  You're not real bright, are you....

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                                    You think people would vote for a foreign-born, sandal wearing bearded Jew, smart guy?

                                    I was only joking

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                                      Larry
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                                      Like I said....

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                                        Someone makes a joke. Larry misses the point and blames The Left. Someone else makes a joke. Larry says they're stoopid.

                                        I think we've been here before.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          I got the joke. Often a joke zings the truth. I commented on that truth. Where it all stopped having any humor was when you implied that I was too stupid to know that Jesus was a Jew, like that had anything to do with what I was commenting on.

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