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Buttons, dials and knobs

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  • MikM Offline
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    I wholly agree. Anything where you have to work through a menu is a bad idea.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      I wholly agree. Anything where you have to work through a menu is a bad idea.

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      George K
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      @Mik said in Buttons, dials and knobs:

      I wholly agree. Anything where you have to work through a menu is a bad idea.

      An Epic response. I was conCernered that you'd miss that.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        In a car that is. But yeah, both systems have labyrinthine menus.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          #5

          You can feel for a knob or for a lever without taking your eyes off of the road. You can't do that with a menu on a touch screen.

          Secondly, replace a knob and see what it costs. Now, replace a touchscreen and see what it costs.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • MikM Offline
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            On that note, on Monday I'll be helping a colleague who has never been in Epic learn to navigate and do some research on duplicate orders. The Chinese guy who is leading the team has, as one might expect, some communication challenges. He's absolutely brilliant, but he whips through things at a breakneck pace, changing screens far too quickly for a new user to absorb. It was on a Teams meeting and in the background I told him I'd guide him through it.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Brilliant doesn't mean you can teach.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                You can feel for a knob or for a lever without taking your eyes off of the road. You can't do that with a menu on a touch screen.

                Secondly, replace a knob and see what it costs. Now, replace a touchscreen and see what it costs.

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                George K
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                @Jolly said in Buttons, dials and knobs:

                You can feel for a knob or for a lever without taking your eyes off of the road

                I love steering wheel mounted controls. Stereo volume, Siri, etc.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Yeap. Also seeing a trend where the on-dash infotainment screens get larger and larger. I have seen on-dash screens larger than an iPad Pro. Not that I have anything against large information screens per se, but the manufacturers put in these big screens without sufficient anti-glare treatment — it’s just dangerous for the driver if a blinding ray of sunlight gets reflected into your eyes from one of those giant screens.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #10

                    In Tesla's it's all on the screen in the middle off the dash. This is what my friend's Y looked like

                    alt text

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Yes, car makers to want to make things "look modern" just because they can, without thinking weather or not is really is an improvement.

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                      • MikM Mik

                        In Tesla's it's all on the screen in the middle off the dash. This is what my friend's Y looked like

                        alt text

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                        @Mik said in Buttons, dials and knobs:

                        In Tesla's it's all on the screen in the middle off the dash. This is what my friend's Y looked like

                        alt text

                        That is the one of the biggest POS car interior designs, I have ever seen.

                        It's almost not a design at all.

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                          It's from the Minimalist School of art...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            It's from the Minimalist School of art...

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                            @Jolly it's crap.

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                              Jolly
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                              Well, it's that, too....

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                @Jolly it's crap.

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                                @mark said in Buttons, dials and knobs:

                                @Jolly it's crap.

                                Don't hold back, mark. Tell us how you really feel.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  It looks like something designed by an engineer rather than a designer.

                                  Which probably explains it.

                                  I was only joking

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