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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    What a United!

    The Brad

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      Something about allowing managers of retirement funds to invest in ways that check ideological boxes rather than financial ones.

      If your retirement fund manager had a -studies major in college, be afraid.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          Again, Democrat messaging about economics is infantile. The legislation the GOP attempted to overturn, allows retirement fund managers to consider ideological, non financial aspects of investments.

          One wonders who became wealthier upon passage of that bill.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • George KG George K

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            @George-K said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

            Is he ignoring the Non-MAGA Democrat Controlled Senate that also passed the bill?

            The Brad

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              The GOP response?

              Good luck explaining this one...

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-torch-biden-veto-of-bipartisan-esg-bill-good-luck-explaining-this-one/ar-AA18RSaw?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W129&cvid=bd04f53162e2430f9f60a291a48a0ca5&ei=24

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                #7

                My question is does this regulation affect fiduciary responsibility or not? If so, it has to go.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  #8

                  I thnk it does.

                  If one wishes to invest in "green" funds or companies, they're out there. You know it when you invest. But to make funds do so is compromising the best return on a client's money.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Mik

                    My question is does this regulation affect fiduciary responsibility or not? If so, it has to go.

                    HoraceH Offline
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                    @Mik said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                    My question is does this regulation affect fiduciary responsibility or not? If so, it has to go.

                    That must be the point of the original law. It allows managers to make bad financial decisions, as long as those decisions are supportable by leftist ideology.

                    If the ideology aligned with good financial decisions, the law wouldn't have needed to exist. It exists specifically to protect bad financial decisions.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      According to this I don't think it really does.

                      https://www.investopedia.com/what-fiduciaries-need-to-know-about-the-new-esg-rules-for-retirement-planning-7197921

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        According to this I don't think it really does.

                        https://www.investopedia.com/what-fiduciaries-need-to-know-about-the-new-esg-rules-for-retirement-planning-7197921

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                        Horace
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                        @Mik said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                        According to this I don't think it really does.

                        https://www.investopedia.com/what-fiduciaries-need-to-know-about-the-new-esg-rules-for-retirement-planning-7197921

                        "You still have all your old obligations for financial prudence, but now you can consider ideology". That's literally meaningless, but these things end up being argued in court anyway. The law makes it more defensible to hand-wave a financial motivation for ideology. E.g, if we don't invest in green funds, the planet will melt, which will be bad for the economy. That argument now holds more water, if a claim of mismanagement is litigated.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Horace
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                          Mostly I'm just curious who got wealthier upon passage of that law that allowed for ideological investments.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                            That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

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                              So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                              That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

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                              @mark said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                              So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                              That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

                              The opposite. Biden kept in place the ability of fund managers to invest based on ideology. The removal of that ability had bipartisan support.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                mark
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                                Then he is wrong to veto it.

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  Are there enough votes to override the veto?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    @mark said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                    So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                                    That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

                                    The opposite. Biden kept in place the ability of fund managers to invest based on ideology. The removal of that ability had bipartisan support.

                                    MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    @Horace said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                    @mark said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                    So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                                    That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

                                    The opposite. Biden kept in place the ability of fund managers to invest based on ideology. The removal of that ability had bipartisan support.

                                    Not really. The regulation, which is not really a regulation at all, would only allow a fiduciary to invest in that type of fund or security if it were the financial best thing for the client.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      @Horace said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                      @mark said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                      So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                                      That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

                                      The opposite. Biden kept in place the ability of fund managers to invest based on ideology. The removal of that ability had bipartisan support.

                                      Not really. The regulation, which is not really a regulation at all, would only allow a fiduciary to invest in that type of fund or security if it were the financial best thing for the client.

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                                      @Mik said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                      @Horace said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                      @mark said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                      So the veto does away with a financial manager using their ideology to invest in things that the investor might not be made aware?

                                      That's a good thing as long as it doesn't prevent the actual investor from investing in things based on their ideology.

                                      The opposite. Biden kept in place the ability of fund managers to invest based on ideology. The removal of that ability had bipartisan support.

                                      Not really. The regulation, which is not really a regulation at all, would only allow a fiduciary to invest in that type of fund or security if it were the financial best thing for the client.

                                      That was already explicitly their job. From this perspective, the legislation is meaningless.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        I do see in the synopsis Mik linked that there was a prohibition against investments which had non financial goals as part of their strategy. That prohibition was lifted, and would have been reinstated if Biden didn’t veto.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Are there enough votes to override the veto?

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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          @George-K said in Biden vetoes resolution that had bipartisan support:

                                          Are there enough votes to override the veto?

                                          Not even close.

                                          The Brad

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