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  • RenaudaR Offline
    RenaudaR Offline
    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #1464

    Putin is stuck in the mud just he was last year about this time:

    https://www.forces.net/comment/opinion-putin-stuck-mud-hitler?utm_source=Forces+Newsletter&utm_campaign=83dd021bc6-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_03_07_05_47&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-83dd021bc6-[LIST_EMAIL_ID]

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #1465

      The price of cherry-picking history.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

      RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
      • MikM Mik

        The price of cherry-picking history.

        RenaudaR Offline
        RenaudaR Offline
        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #1466

        @Mik

        That and not understanding the lessons of history. Not surprising though, as he grew up and was educated in a country that distorted history in a vain attempt to legitimize itself.

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #1467

          War Crime

          Warning: Graphic video.

          https://censor-net.translate.goog/ua/video_news/3403991/okupanty_vprytul_rozstrilyaly_bezzbroyinogo_ukrayinskogo_voyina_pislya_sliv_slava_ukrayini_video_21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

          "The Russian military posted a video of the shooting of a captured soldier who refuses to take off his chevron with the national flag and dies with the words "Glory to Ukraine". If anyone recognizes this person and can tell where and under what circumstances he could have been captured, write to me. please. We must find out all the circumstances of this yet another terrible war crime committed by the Russian Federation," said Butusov's telegram

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

          taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
          • George KG George K

            War Crime

            Warning: Graphic video.

            https://censor-net.translate.goog/ua/video_news/3403991/okupanty_vprytul_rozstrilyaly_bezzbroyinogo_ukrayinskogo_voyina_pislya_sliv_slava_ukrayini_video_21?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

            "The Russian military posted a video of the shooting of a captured soldier who refuses to take off his chevron with the national flag and dies with the words "Glory to Ukraine". If anyone recognizes this person and can tell where and under what circumstances he could have been captured, write to me. please. We must find out all the circumstances of this yet another terrible war crime committed by the Russian Federation," said Butusov's telegram

            taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on last edited by
            #1468

            @George-K Wow!!!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1469

              Pure unadulterated balls. I am quite sure he is in Valhalla.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                Pure unadulterated balls. I am quite sure he is in Valhalla.

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by
                #1470

                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Pure unadulterated balls. I am quite sure he is in Valhalla.

                Drengr. Hann er Drengr.

                Please love yourself.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #1471

                  American Churchill.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                  taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    American Churchill.

                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                    taiwan_girlT Offline
                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1472

                    @jon-nyc Peace in our time!

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1473

                      How nice that Fox patriotically edited out the comment.

                      Journalistic excellence FTW!

                      Oh, sorry, sorry, mustn't shoot the messenger.

                      I was only joking

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #1474

                        As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

                        Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1475

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-sees-spike-in-mobilized-troops-refusing-to-go-to-death-ukraine/ar-AA18nVge?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8fbad7f76be34063952073a52eeafbd7&ei=63

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • RenaudaR Offline
                            RenaudaR Offline
                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1476

                            Sidelining Prigozhin:

                            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/09/wagner-boss-cut-off-from-official-channels-after-public-ammo-plea-a80437

                            Elbows up!

                            George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              Sidelining Prigozhin:

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/09/wagner-boss-cut-off-from-official-channels-after-public-ammo-plea-a80437

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1477

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Sidelining Prigozhin:

                              Is this a big deal?

                              Wagner seems to have played a big role in the "special military operation." Will it continue to do so with Prigozhin on the outs?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Sidelining Prigozhin:

                                Is this a big deal?

                                Wagner seems to have played a big role in the "special military operation." Will it continue to do so with Prigozhin on the outs?

                                RenaudaR Offline
                                RenaudaR Offline
                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1478

                                @George-K

                                Given the Byzantine nature of Kremlin politics, I don’t think anyone on the outside knows. Suffice to say though that Prigozhin accumulated a lot power over the course of a dozen or so years. Up until recently he has been treated as a palatine prince. That privileged status appears to be waning as of late.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1479

                                  Russia has lost an estimated five men for every Ukrainian soldier its forces have killed in the battle for Bakhmut, according to a Nato official.

                                  Speaking to CNN on condition of anonymity, the official said that Nato intelligence showed that Russia’s losses in the assault on the eastern salt-mining town far outweighed Ukraine’s.

                                  The official also said, however, that Ukraine’s losses defending the city were significant.

                                  Russia’s use of costly wave attacks have prompted comparisons to the First World War and the commander of the mercenary forces leading the assault has described the battle as a “meat grinder” for Russian troops.

                                  Russia has been assaulting Bakhut since August, in what has become the longest and costliest battle of the war.

                                  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/07/cost-bakhmut-meat-grinder-battle-russian-army-revealed/

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • MikM Away
                                    MikM Away
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1480

                                    Interesting perspective.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-the-west-fears-victory-in-ukraine/ar-AA18t7jX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=24761aac18c14092a03b4d2e26548e5b&ei=28

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      Interesting perspective.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-the-west-fears-victory-in-ukraine/ar-AA18t7jX?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=24761aac18c14092a03b4d2e26548e5b&ei=28

                                      RenaudaR Offline
                                      RenaudaR Offline
                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1481

                                      @Mik

                                      Good and concise presentation. The author is, of course, saying what John Bolton, Timothy Snyder and several other analysts have been saying for awhile now; that the West remains fearful of enabling Ukraine to obtain a decisive military victory over Russia and a return to the 1991 borders.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1482

                                        Anything else is a victory for Russia, regardless of the cost.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1483

                                          Is Putin losing control of the message? Interesting note from two days ago:

                                          Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova confirmed that there is infighting in
                                          the Kremlin inner circle, that the Kremlin has ceded centralized control over the Russian information space, and that Russian President Vladimir Putin apparently cannot readily fix it. Kremlin journalists, academics, and Novorossiya supporters held a forum on the “practical and technological aspects of information and cognitive warfare in modern realities” in Moscow on March 11.[2] During a panel discussion Zakharova stated that the Kremlin cannot replicate the Stalinist approach of establishing a modern equivalent to the Soviet Information Bureau to centrally control Russia’s internal information space due to fighting among unspecified Kremlin “elites.”[3]

                                          Zakharova’s statement is noteworthy and supports several of ISW’s longstanding assessments about deteriorating Kremlin regime and information space control dynamics. The statement supports several assessments: that there is Kremlin infighting between key members of Putin’s inner circle; that Putin has largely ceded the Russian information space over time to a variety of quasi-independent actors; and that Putin is apparently unable to take decisive action to regain control over the Russian information space.[4] It is unclear why Zakharova — a seasoned senior spokesperson — would have openly acknowledged these problems in a public setting. Zakharova may have directly discussed these problems for the first time to temper Russian nationalist milbloggers’ expectations regarding the current capabilities of the Kremlin to cohere around a unified narrative — or possibly even a unified policy..

                                          Source: https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-11-2023

                                          Elbows up!

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