Police Chase in Baltimore

[Jolly]

Nah. You run, we shoot. You crash or cause others to crash, you're criminally liable.

Jacking a car worth your life or 25 years in the pen?

[Catseye3]

@Jolly said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

Jacking a car worth your life or 25 years in the pen?

What if it costs a stranger his life?

[Jolly]

@Catseye3 said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

@Jolly said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

Jacking a car worth your life or 25 years in the pen?

What if it costs a stranger his life?

It did.

But, would you rather see car theft like Chicago?

[Catseye3]

@Jolly said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

would you rather see car theft like Chicago?

Not sure I understand the question. I'd rather see the dead pedestrian alive and the car gone, if that's what you're asking.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Catseye3 said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

@Jolly said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

would you rather see car theft like Chicago?

Not sure I understand the question. I'd rather see the dead pedestrian alive and the car gone, if that's what you're asking.

You seem to be assuming that letting carjackers just drive off is generally safer. I don't know why you would assume that.

[Catseye3]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

You seem to be assuming that letting carjackers just drive off is generally safer.

I don't assume that. If this victim hadn't been killed, another one could have been. Who can say? I'm saying that police chases amid populated areas are dangerous, often to people who have nothing to do with the people directly involved.

And letting carjackers "just drive off" isn't quite the connotation I'm driving at. It's more a matter of public safety and not haring off at speed and risking lives over a stolen car.

There have to be better methods. Slower pursuit with more police cars? Drones?

[Aqua Letifer]

@Catseye3 said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

And letting carjackers "just drive off" isn't quite the connotation I'm driving at. It's more a matter of public safety and not haring off at speed and risking lives over a stolen car.

There have to be better methods. Slower pursuit with more police cars? Drones?

Yeah okay, try that out and get back to us about the results.

[George K]

@Catseye3 said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

What if it costs a stranger his life?

Felony murder.

Unlike most murder charges, felony murder doesn't require the intent to kill, only:

the intent to commit the underlying felony (the "predicate felony"),
and

that someone died as a result of the felony.

[Rainman]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

@Catseye3 said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

And letting carjackers "just drive off" isn't quite the connotation I'm driving at. It's more a matter of public safety and not haring off at speed and risking lives over a stolen car.

There have to be better methods. Slower pursuit with more police cars? Drones?

Yeah okay, try that out and get back to us about the results.

Yeah well, there should be some high-tech gadgetry that could rise to the occasion. Remote disable. Or better, remote redirect of exhaust into the cabin, doors and windows lock and cannot open trapping the bad guys, radio plays prerecording of what is happening, then hideous laughter, then the car fills up with boiling water slowly boiling the thieves while they scream in agony, then the boiling water runs down into the EV battery packs which short out and the whole damn thing blows up in a huge fireball, the bodies incinerated, nothing left just a stain on the roadway.

[Jolly]

@Catseye3 said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

@Jolly said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

would you rather see car theft like Chicago?

Not sure I understand the question. I'd rather see the dead pedestrian alive and the car gone, if that's what you're asking.

George might can provide actual stats, but car theft has doubled or tripled in Chicago. It's a result of lack of law enforcement and Lightfoot's policies.

Crime begats crime. The more we tolerate, the more it grows. And the more serious the crimes become.

[LuFins Dad]

I don’t @Catseye3 is advocating for not enforcing the law, but is simply saying that high speed police chases shouldn’t be a part of the apprehension of the suspects. If they run when trying to arrest them, let them run and track them down later. And I get that argument. There is an element of public danger in these events and there are other ways that you can track the criminals down later. Cell phone tracking for one.

The problem with that approach, in my mind at least, is you don’t know what else is going on. Letting them race away presents other unknown risks to the public. If they carjacked the vehicle, the owner might still be inside and at risk. Or are you dealing with some intoxicated kids? If so, that’s another threat to the public. There’s countless scenarios. You can’t just assume that letting them go is safer for the general public.

[Catseye3]

@Rainman said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

Yeah well, there should be some high-tech gadgetry that could rise to the occasion. Remote disable. Or better, remote redirect of exhaust into the cabin, doors and windows lock and cannot open trapping the bad guys, radio plays prerecording of what is happening, then hideous laughter, then the car fills up with boiling water slowly boiling the thieves while they scream in agony, then the boiling water runs down into the EV battery packs which short out and the whole damn thing blows up in a huge fireball, the bodies incinerated, nothing left just a stain on the roadway.

There, you see? All it would take is a little ingenuity!

[George K]

@Jolly said in Police Chase in Baltimore:

George might can provide actual stats

https://wirepoints.org/chicago-car-thefts-spike-sharply-in-2022-up-100-percent-along-lakefront-compared-to-2019-wirepoints/