Why Fox News Lied
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@Jolly said in Why Fox News Lied:
This from the "Paper of Record" that sat on the Hunter Laptop story before an election.
I was thinking more about their Russiagate Pulitzers.
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@Jolly said in Why Fox News Lied:
This from the "Paper of Record" that sat on the Hunter Laptop story before an election.
I was thinking more about their Russiagate Pulitzers.
@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I was thinking more about their Russiagate Pulitzers.
There are some stories that are important enough to pause the news cycle and linger on them, to explore not just what happened, but why. And so it is with The New York Times role in the events leading up to Nov 8, 2020. Thanks to a recent evidence , there is now compelling evidence that America’s "paper of record" presented information it knew to be false as part of an effort to placate an angry audience. It knowingly sacrificed its integrity to maintain its market share.
Why? There are the obvious reasons: Money. Power. Fame. These are universal human temptations. But the answer goes deeper. The Times became a juggernaut not simply by being “Democrat,” or “liberal ,” but by offering its audience something it craved even more deeply: representation. And journalism centered on supporting falsehoods ultimately isn’t journalism at all.
To understand the Times, one has to understand the place it occupies in Blue America. It’s no mere source of news. It’s the place where Blue America goes to feel seen and heard. If there’s an important good news story in Blue America, the first call is to the Times. If liberals face a threat to their civil liberties, the first call is to the Times. If you’re a lberal celebrity and you need to sell a book, the first call is to the Times.
The first three paragraphs, with suitable alterations made. Substantially the same argument, right?
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@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I was thinking more about their Russiagate Pulitzers.
There are some stories that are important enough to pause the news cycle and linger on them, to explore not just what happened, but why. And so it is with The New York Times role in the events leading up to Nov 8, 2020. Thanks to a recent evidence , there is now compelling evidence that America’s "paper of record" presented information it knew to be false as part of an effort to placate an angry audience. It knowingly sacrificed its integrity to maintain its market share.
Why? There are the obvious reasons: Money. Power. Fame. These are universal human temptations. But the answer goes deeper. The Times became a juggernaut not simply by being “Democrat,” or “liberal ,” but by offering its audience something it craved even more deeply: representation. And journalism centered on supporting falsehoods ultimately isn’t journalism at all.
To understand the Times, one has to understand the place it occupies in Blue America. It’s no mere source of news. It’s the place where Blue America goes to feel seen and heard. If there’s an important good news story in Blue America, the first call is to the Times. If liberals face a threat to their civil liberties, the first call is to the Times. If you’re a lberal celebrity and you need to sell a book, the first call is to the Times.
The first three paragraphs, with suitable alterations made. Substantially the same argument, right?
@George-K said in Why Fox News Lied:
@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I was thinking more about their Russiagate Pulitzers.
There are some stories that are important enough to pause the news cycle and linger on them, to explore not just what happened, but why. And so it is with The New York Times role in the events leading up to Nov 8, 2020. Thanks to a recent evidence , there is now compelling evidence that America’s "paper of record" presented information it knew to be false as part of an effort to placate an angry audience. It knowingly sacrificed its integrity to maintain its market share.
Why? There are the obvious reasons: Money. Power. Fame. These are universal human temptations. But the answer goes deeper. The Times became a juggernaut not simply by being “Democrat,” or “liberal ,” but by offering its audience something it craved even more deeply: representation. And journalism centered on supporting falsehoods ultimately isn’t journalism at all.
To understand the Times, one has to understand the place it occupies in Blue America. It’s no mere source of news. It’s the place where Blue America goes to feel seen and heard. If there’s an important good news story in Blue America, the first call is to the Times. If liberals face a threat to their civil liberties, the first call is to the Times. If you’re a lberal celebrity and you need to sell a book, the first call is to the Times.
The first three paragraphs, with suitable alterations made. Substantially the same argument, right?
I was thinking of doing EXACTLY the same thing…
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Beyond that. My recollection at the time was that Fox News was very deliberate in their reporting… “Trump claims”, “Giuliani stated”, “Trump’s legal team addressed….”
I recall 2 talking head shows. One asked “If true, then what does that mean?” Another actually debunked the claims by the Trump team.
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
Now I’m sure there will be a clip of Ingraham saying “Dominion stole our election”. I’m also sure that if the clip was extended, the clip would show her saying “If true, this would mean that Dominion stole our election”…
Whether the talking heads believed Trump’s claims is irrelevant whether they reported the claims as factually correct or if they just reported the fact that Trump made the claims…
The Brad
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Here's public intellectual Jon Stewart and friends having an I-told-you-so-gasm about this proof of what he's always suspected. That Fox News crafts their news to cater to a certain political viewpoint.
The Tucker haters on this board might find one line amusing. That if date rape drugs had a face, it would be Tucker's.
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Beyond that. My recollection at the time was that Fox News was very deliberate in their reporting… “Trump claims”, “Giuliani stated”, “Trump’s legal team addressed….”
I recall 2 talking head shows. One asked “If true, then what does that mean?” Another actually debunked the claims by the Trump team.
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
Now I’m sure there will be a clip of Ingraham saying “Dominion stole our election”. I’m also sure that if the clip was extended, the clip would show her saying “If true, this would mean that Dominion stole our election”…
Whether the talking heads believed Trump’s claims is irrelevant whether they reported the claims as factually correct or if they just reported the fact that Trump made the claims…
@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
@Axtremus said in Why Fox News Lied:
It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
That would require them returning the Pulitzer.
Oh, wait...you're talking about Fox. Sorry 'bout that.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
@Axtremus said in Why Fox News Lied:
@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
Verification?
Maybe they could start passing stuff by fifty or so intel officials for verification. That's who WaPo and the NYT trust.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
@Axtremus said in Why Fox News Lied:
@LuFins-Dad said in Why Fox News Lied:
I watch maybe 90 minutes of news broadcasts a week, so there may be things out there I’m missing, but I have yet to see any indication that Fox did anything other than report that Trump’s team was making these claims. I fail to see the problem with that. The fact they were making the claims was newsworthy in itself. The veracity of the claims was not confirmed nor denied.
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It would be better for society if Fox also gave it an honest try at verifying the claims.
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It would also be better if Fox stopped repeating claims that have been shown to be false by other journalists.
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There job is to report the news that Trump and team are making these claims. It was the responsibility of Trump’s team to prove them. They failed in that.
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NYT is still repeating claims that have shown to be false by the US Government and Intelligence Agencies, let alone other journalists…
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