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  • JollyJ Offline
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    And denial of care...

    https://www.oann.com/newsroom/rand-paul-explodes-on-denied-care-to-unvaxxed/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      And denial of care...

      https://www.oann.com/newsroom/rand-paul-explodes-on-denied-care-to-unvaxxed/

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      @Jolly said in Vax Status:

      And denial of care...

      https://www.oann.com/newsroom/rand-paul-explodes-on-denied-care-to-unvaxxed/

      Can you give breakdown without my having to click the link? OANN is an abomination and hurts the cause for conservatism.

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        @Jolly said in Vax Status:

        And denial of care...

        https://www.oann.com/newsroom/rand-paul-explodes-on-denied-care-to-unvaxxed/

        Can you give breakdown without my having to click the link? OANN is an abomination and hurts the cause for conservatism.

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        @LuFins-Dad

        Rand Paul is introducing DOA legislation that would withhold federal monies from any healthcare institution that denied care based on vaccine status. It tells the story of a woman taken off the kidney list at Duke for that reason.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          By the way when I was at Duke they had me take loads of vaccines before I was listed. None of this is covid specific.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            As somebody that is very much against COVID Vaccine Mandates, I have no problems with requiring vaccines for organ transplants. Refusing to give someone a stent? That’s flat out wrong, but removing someone from a transplant list as they are exposing themselves to a an unacceptable risk? No problem.

            The Brad

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              Agreed. This is a case of protecting that organ investment in someone who will be forever immunocompromised.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                The current COVID vaccine does not work well. I suspect we will begin to see annual "cocktail" mixes based on prevalent strains. In that, it bears some similarities to the flu vaccine. However...

                Serious adverse side effects are more numerous with the COVID vaccine. Dr. Paul is right. Treatment protocols may be tailored on best practice medicine, but withholding treatment based on this particular, poor performance vaccine is simply not medically ethical and is a bureaucratic relic from the beginning if the pandemic.

                Kill it.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  The current COVID vaccine does not work well. I suspect we will begin to see annual "cocktail" mixes based on prevalent strains. In that, it bears some similarities to the flu vaccine. However...

                  Serious adverse side effects are more numerous with the COVID vaccine. Dr. Paul is right. Treatment protocols may be tailored on best practice medicine, but withholding treatment based on this particular, poor performance vaccine is simply not medically ethical and is a bureaucratic relic from the beginning if the pandemic.

                  Kill it.

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                  @Jolly said in Vax Status:

                  The current COVID vaccine does not work well. I suspect we will begin to see annual "cocktail" mixes based on prevalent strains. In that, it bears some similarities to the flu vaccine. However...

                  Serious adverse side effects are more numerous with the COVID vaccine. Dr. Paul is right. Treatment protocols may be tailored on best practice medicine, but withholding treatment based on this particular, poor performance vaccine is simply not medically ethical and is a bureaucratic relic from the beginning if the pandemic.

                  Kill it.

                  If you’re talking about withholding Ariosto treatments, medicines, etc… I absolutely agree with you. But we are talking about a transplant where the patient will be on significant immunosuppressants for the rest of their life. We’re talking about a disease that can easily kill you if you are immune compromised. The potential vaccine adverse reaction is negligible when compared to the adverse reaction when on immunosuppressants and contracting COVID.

                  The Brad

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                    Yeah, giving someone a vaccine they can still develop a normal immune response makes sense. That's the logic behind all the others I took pre-transplant.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @Jolly said in Vax Status:

                      The current COVID vaccine does not work well. I suspect we will begin to see annual "cocktail" mixes based on prevalent strains. In that, it bears some similarities to the flu vaccine. However...

                      Serious adverse side effects are more numerous with the COVID vaccine. Dr. Paul is right. Treatment protocols may be tailored on best practice medicine, but withholding treatment based on this particular, poor performance vaccine is simply not medically ethical and is a bureaucratic relic from the beginning if the pandemic.

                      Kill it.

                      If you’re talking about withholding Ariosto treatments, medicines, etc… I absolutely agree with you. But we are talking about a transplant where the patient will be on significant immunosuppressants for the rest of their life. We’re talking about a disease that can easily kill you if you are immune compromised. The potential vaccine adverse reaction is negligible when compared to the adverse reaction when on immunosuppressants and contracting COVID.

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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Vax Status:

                      @Jolly said in Vax Status:

                      The current COVID vaccine does not work well. I suspect we will begin to see annual "cocktail" mixes based on prevalent strains. In that, it bears some similarities to the flu vaccine. However...

                      Serious adverse side effects are more numerous with the COVID vaccine. Dr. Paul is right. Treatment protocols may be tailored on best practice medicine, but withholding treatment based on this particular, poor performance vaccine is simply not medically ethical and is a bureaucratic relic from the beginning if the pandemic.

                      Kill it.

                      If you’re talking about withholding Ariosto treatments, medicines, etc… I absolutely agree with you. But we are talking about a transplant where the patient will be on significant immunosuppressants for the rest of their life. We’re talking about a disease that can easily kill you if you are immune compromised. The potential vaccine adverse reaction is negligible when compared to the adverse reaction when on immunosuppressants and contracting COVID.

                      There are a wheelbarrow load of diseases that can kill you if you are immunocompromised. Tell that adverse tail to my SIL, who had a horrible reaction to the vaccine or to my wife, that went tachycardia 180 with massive skips, BP of 175/120 and climbing, not to mention the usual fever x4 days, malaise, etc

                      If hadn't had rescue meds at home and a doc on speed dial, she stood a good chance of dying in the den.

                      Now, suppose she needs a kidney in the future?

                      You're telling me no, because of a vaccine that barely works against the current strain or may not work at all?

                      Gentlemen, that's bad medicine.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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