Considering a grand
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Tagging @kluurs for this one.
We chatted earlier today, and he continues to be thrilled with his digital Roland. He plays it more than his Steinway. With the right software and some good speakers, you can probably have a very satisfying experience for under $6K.
Is there anything wrong with your upright? I thought you had a Bohemia.
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I went to a different piano shop this afternoon and played some Seiler pianos and Pearl River's premium "hand made" brand called kayserberger or something like that. My piano at home actually sounds better than all the uprights I tried and most of the grands. But nice grand is still better. If I want a digital, I can always get one, but an acoustic grand is a goal at some point. My wife suggested it, just as furniture, so it's nice to have buy-in for a toy.
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Baldwin.
Steinway’s way too cheap.
Mason’s way too expensive.
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OTOH, it would be harder to find, but the CW190 (jodi has one) is a heckuva piano.
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Sigh...
Back in the day, I liked the Seilers. Of course, I'm going back 15 years.
Have they gone downhill?
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Sigh...
Back in the day, I liked the Seilers. Of course, I'm going back 15 years.
Have they gone downhill?
@George-K said in Considering a grand:
Sigh...
Back in the day, I liked the Seilers. Of course, I'm going back 15 years.
Have they gone downhill?
They have three different brands where Seiler is part of the name. The one I tried today were the non premium ones. I guess the premium ones are still good, and most similar to the ones we heard about back in the day.
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@Jolly said in Considering a grand:
OTOH, it would be harder to find, but the CW190 (jodi has one) is a heckuva piano.
I’ve always wanted to try a CW. Never seen one.
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George is right, playing a decent digital with a virtual instrument is amazing - compared to even what was around a few years back. The piano is always in tune - and one can alter the ambiance depending on what you want to do - practice - or listen to what you'd sound like in a real hall.
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A Baldwin L would have been my choice if I could have found a decent one, a Bechstein if money was no object.
Not sure how you could go wrong with them if a tech oks it.
Perfect place for a grand.
Disclaimer: Son ofBaldwin’s advertising director then Baldwin dealer. It is in my blood.
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George is right, playing a decent digital with a virtual instrument is amazing - compared to even what was around a few years back. The piano is always in tune - and one can alter the ambiance depending on what you want to do - practice - or listen to what you'd sound like in a real hall.
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Now for something totally off the wall...If any of you are down in Philly, drop by Cunningham's and test drive their Cunningham Parlor Grand.
Made by Hailun (or at least it used to be) with a heavier plate and a scale by an old Baldwin guy, it might surprise you.
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To expand on my earlier post. Baldwin Artist Grands in the 80’s and 90’s were as fine of an instrument as could be found. There were a few quality control issues that mostly affected the instruments in the late 90’s but even then fine instruments could be found. The key is having a good technician go over them from top to bottom.
But the financial problems they suffered in the early 2000s and all of the crap that happened with Gibson drove down the perception of the brand. It the fallboards said Steinway, those L’s would cost $45K. Just have a good technical evaluation. Check for warped or split action rails or splitting bridges in particular.
If there is a Steinway for 25K it is likely in need of extensive repairs or is in decent playing shape now but will need extensive work in 10 years, leaving the dealer in a weird spot of deciding whether to rebuild it or not.
Mason? When was it rebuilt, who rebuilt it, how good was the end result? $40K is way too much when you have those Baldwins available for so much less.
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To expand on my earlier post. Baldwin Artist Grands in the 80’s and 90’s were as fine of an instrument as could be found. There were a few quality control issues that mostly affected the instruments in the late 90’s but even then fine instruments could be found. The key is having a good technician go over them from top to bottom.
But the financial problems they suffered in the early 2000s and all of the crap that happened with Gibson drove down the perception of the brand. It the fallboards said Steinway, those L’s would cost $45K. Just have a good technical evaluation. Check for warped or split action rails or splitting bridges in particular.
If there is a Steinway for 25K it is likely in need of extensive repairs or is in decent playing shape now but will need extensive work in 10 years, leaving the dealer in a weird spot of deciding whether to rebuild it or not.
Mason? When was it rebuilt, who rebuilt it, how good was the end result? $40K is way too much when you have those Baldwins available for so much less.
@LuFins-Dad said in Considering a grand:
To expand on my earlier post. Baldwin Artist Grands in the 80’s and 90’s were as fine of an instrument as could be found. There were a few quality control issues that mostly affected the instruments in the late 90’s but even then fine instruments could be found. The key is having a good technician go over them from top to bottom.
But the financial problems they suffered in the early 2000s and all of the crap that happened with Gibson drove down the perception of the brand. It the fallboards said Steinway, those L’s would cost $45K. Just have a good technical evaluation. Check for warped or split action rails or splitting bridges in particular.
If there is a Steinway for 25K it is likely in need of extensive repairs or is in decent playing shape now but will need extensive work in 10 years, leaving the dealer in a weird spot of deciding whether to rebuild it or not.
Mason? When was it rebuilt, who rebuilt it, how good was the end result? $40K is way too much when you have those Baldwins available for so much less.
Thanks LD! I will check them out today.
