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Objective by whose standard?

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  • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
    #2

    Objectivity is only the goal for people who don't really understand journalism.

    It was never about objectivity. For example, there's no "objective" way to cover concentration camps.

    "The U.S. Army's 522nd Field Artillery Battalion estimated that some 40,000 bodies have been found in Dachau. While Colonel Felix L. Sparks believed the camps to be part of a mass extermination campaign, Heinrich Himmler assured questioning news media in a statement yesterday that the camp was used to quarter protective-custody prisoners."

    Like, that's fucking ridiculous.

    Real news involves a human being collecting a shitload of information to try to figure out what the story is. They then present only some of this information—it's not important to know the color of Himmler's shoes when he made his statement—so that you both tell a story and support your belief that this is the most accurate story that explains the facts.

    This is subjective, and it requires others who find other stories in the facts to share their own in parallel reporting.

    The problem today is that it's all story, no facts. But to go the other way would be just as ridiculous. News stories aren't a peer-reviewed scientific study, nor should they be.

    Please love yourself.

    RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      Objectivity is only the goal for people who don't really understand journalism.

      It was never about objectivity. For example, there's no "objective" way to cover concentration camps.

      "The U.S. Army's 522nd Field Artillery Battalion estimated that some 40,000 bodies have been found in Dachau. While Colonel Felix L. Sparks believed the camps to be part of a mass extermination campaign, Heinrich Himmler assured questioning news media in a statement yesterday that the camp was used to quarter protective-custody prisoners."

      Like, that's fucking ridiculous.

      Real news involves a human being collecting a shitload of information to try to figure out what the story is. They then present only some of this information—it's not important to know the color of Himmler's shoes when he made his statement—so that you both tell a story and support your belief that this is the most accurate story that explains the facts.

      This is subjective, and it requires others who find other stories in the facts to share their own in parallel reporting.

      The problem today is that it's all story, no facts. But to go the other way would be just as ridiculous. News stories aren't a peer-reviewed scientific study, nor should they be.

      RenaudaR Offline
      RenaudaR Offline
      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by
      #3

      @Aqua-Letifer

      Objectivity is only the goal for people who don't really understand journalism.

      It was never about objectivity.

      True, but saying so ad nauseum might make some folk believe it was at one time in the imaginary distant past.

      Elbows up!

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #4

        As the culture polarizes, so too will journalism. Those on board with existential risk narratives, are the problem. What are hand waved and politically charged existential risks, if not polarizing?

        Education is extremely important.

        Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
        • HoraceH Horace

          As the culture polarizes, so too will journalism. Those on board with existential risk narratives, are the problem. What are hand waved and politically charged existential risks, if not polarizing?

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #5

          People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #6

            @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

            People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

            The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

              People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

              The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

              Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on last edited by
              #7

              @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

              People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

              The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

              I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

              I was only joking

              HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                HoraceH Offline
                HoraceH Offline
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #8

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                Education is extremely important.

                Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                  The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                  I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                  "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #9

                  @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                  People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                  The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                  I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                  "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                  I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                  I was only joking

                  JollyJ RenaudaR 2 Replies Last reply
                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                    The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                    I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                    "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                    I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #10

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                    People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                    The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                    I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                    "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                    I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                    Well, at least part of the word rebuttal is appropriate. 😉

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                      The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                      I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                      "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                      I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                      RenaudaR Offline
                      RenaudaR Offline
                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #11

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                      People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                      The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                      I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                      "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                      I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                      You weren’t. At least I didn’t think so. I understood what you wrote as it was written. That may be a problem for folks who obsess over buzz words and pop kultur phrases.

                      Elbows up!

                      HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                        The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                        I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                        "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                        I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                        You weren’t. At least I didn’t think so. I understood what you wrote as it was written. That may be a problem for folks who obsess over buzz words and pop kultur phrases.

                        HoraceH Offline
                        HoraceH Offline
                        Horace
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #12

                        @Renauda said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Horace said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Objective by whose standard?:

                        People who talk about existential risks all the time are an existential risk.

                        The word appeared in Biden’s SOTU last night. Go ahead and try to find a Democrat speech in which it did not appear during the midterms.

                        I don't take much notice of Democrat speeches, TBH. 'Existential threat' is kind of their version of 'Socialist'.

                        "I don't pay attention to the thing you're trying to make a point about" is not much of a rebuttal.

                        I didn't realise I was trying to frame a rebuttal.

                        You weren’t. At least I didn’t think so. I understood as it was written. That may be a problem for folks who obsess over buzz words and pop kulture phrases.

                        His rejoinder, which was definitely not a rebuttal, was simply over my head.

                        Please don't attempt to explain it to me. I will be lost in the complex subtleties.

                        Education is extremely important.

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