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The Dream Lives

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    George K
    wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:46 last edited by
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    SCOTUS rules that administration can't end DACA.

    Without getting into the legal weeds here (as if I understood them anyway), this strikes me as being a terribly dangerous position. Basically, one administration's executive order, regardless of legality, binds subsequent administrations. It gives POTUS, for all practical purposes, the power to legislate, with the assurance that these orders will continue regardless of who occupies the WH in the future.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Loki
      wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 16:58 last edited by
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      Except for the fact that the can has been kicked for so many years and there isn’t real disagreement on the fundamentals.

      The problematic part is when the Supreme Court has to be the adult in the room which seems like scope creep to the Constitution.

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      • L Loki
        18 Jun 2020, 16:58

        Except for the fact that the can has been kicked for so many years and there isn’t real disagreement on the fundamentals.

        The problematic part is when the Supreme Court has to be the adult in the room which seems like scope creep to the Constitution.

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        George K
        wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 17:08 last edited by
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        @Loki said in The Dream Lives:

        Except for the fact that the can has been kicked for so many years and there isn’t real disagreement on the fundamentals.

        The problematic part is when the Supreme Court has to be the adult in the room which seems like scope creep to the Constitution.

        DACA enjoys wide support, to be sure.

        My concern is the court's ruling than an administration is bound by the executive orders of a previous administration, functionally giving EO's the force of law.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Mik
          wrote on 18 Jun 2020, 18:11 last edited by
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          Yeah, that doesn't seem right. Certainly doesn't seem wise.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 19 Jun 2020, 02:35 last edited by
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            @George-K My understanding is it explicitly says otherwise, and Robert’s opinion was specifically on the method (insufficient public comment etc via administrative procedures act).

            Only non-witches get due process.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 19 Jun 2020, 02:46 last edited by
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              https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/roberts-daca-trick-blocks-disfavored-policy-without-substantive-law-precedent/

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                19 Jun 2020, 02:35

                @George-K My understanding is it explicitly says otherwise, and Robert’s opinion was specifically on the method (insufficient public comment etc via administrative procedures act).

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                George K
                wrote on 19 Jun 2020, 11:44 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc said in The Dream Lives:

                @George-K My understanding is it explicitly says otherwise, and Robert’s opinion was specifically on the method (insufficient public comment etc via administrative procedures act).

                Yeah. I dove a little deeper. Interesting that they, for all practical purposes, passed on it by calling it a tax based on procedure rather than actual law (which doesn't exist). From a purely political point, it delays consideration until after November, when, if Trump wins, they can revisit it. If Biden wins, it's moot.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 15 Jul 2020, 13:09 last edited by
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                  The WaPo "Fact Checker" criticizes Trump's proposed immigration plan:

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                  Umm...Mr. Kessler, ah, never mind, you know where I was going with this.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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