I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires
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It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
Education is extremely important.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
We could replace the fans with machines too.
You are just asking for it.
@Copper said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
We could replace the fans with machines too.
You are just asking for it.
I'd probably still be a football fan if they had technology to reduce injuries, to the extent that you didn't have to think about whether your favorite players were or were not going to be able to play any given game.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
I think the difference between applying the rules and striving to score points, according to the rules, is important. Nobody goes to the games to watch the officials and their human input. They are only a necessary evil, and if their jobs could be automated fairly, the games would be more fun to watch IMO.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
I think the difference between applying the rules and striving to score points, according to the rules, is important. Nobody goes to the games to watch the officials and their human input. They are only a necessary evil, and if their jobs could be automated fairly, the games would be more fun to watch IMO.
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
Nobody goes to the games to watch the officials and their human input.
I dunno what baseball games you go to, but literally all the ones I've ever been to have been full of fans who absolutely love debating umpire calls.
Please love yourself.
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
Please love yourself.
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
Nobody goes to the games to watch the officials and their human input.
I dunno what baseball games you go to, but literally all the ones I've ever been to have been full of fans who absolutely love debating umpire calls.
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
It's a good use of technology and will improve the game for fans. Bias and arbitrariness in rules applications is not a good part of the human aspect of sports. The pursuit of the athletic parts and the inevitable failures to achieve it, are.
Interesting to me that you think the two can be separated.
Yes I think the jobs of officials and athletes are separable.
They're all people. When you start ceding parts of the game to place efficiency and impartiality over the human aspect, that's exactly what you get. A less human, more efficient and impartial game. My personal response is fuck that, but no one asked me and they're doing it anyway so what does it matter.
Nobody goes to the games to watch the officials and their human input.
I dunno what baseball games you go to, but literally all the ones I've ever been to have been full of fans who absolutely love debating umpire calls.
That's why baseball, even college baseball playoffs, have replay. Hell, even the Little League World Series has replay.
Fans can still bitch about the replay, if they wish. They can bitch about the strike box, too. Facts have never stood in the way of people bitching.
I'm guessing a huge part of this drive to the strike box, is the fact that Fox has been using it for a few years now. Fans of all teams have had an opportunity to see umpires blow strike and ball calls...And it's maddening for a pitcher to have good stuff and nibble the corners with an ump who won't call the strikes. Or for a batter to be punched out on an obvious ball.
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What used to be a 2.5 hour game is now a 3.5 hour game, with timeout for reviews it will become a 4.5 hour game.
250+ pitches to review every game
The double play at second will never be the same
Foreign substances under the pitcher's belt reviewed
No more framing pitches, this is a big deal
What if Russian hackers get into the software?
Sports betting shops will be hacking into systems
Will an umpire just stand there handing new balls to the catcher and reading the newspaper in between pitches?
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
I think most people have an idea that the line would allow for automated timing of sprints rather than hand stopwatches.
The line I have proposed, where the jobs of the rule enforcers is automated to any degree, seems ok to me. The human element exists with the athletes, not the infrastructure of the game.
Education is extremely important.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
I think most people have an idea that the line would allow for automated timing of sprints rather than hand stopwatches.
The line I have proposed, where the jobs of the rule enforcers is automated to any degree, seems ok to me. The human element exists with the athletes, not the infrastructure of the game.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
I think most people have an idea that the line would allow for automated timing of sprints rather than hand stopwatches.
The line I have proposed, where the jobs of the rule enforcers is automated to any degree, seems ok to me. The human element exists with the athletes, not the infrastructure of the game.
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
I think most people have an idea that the line would allow for automated timing of sprints rather than hand stopwatches.
The line I have proposed, where the jobs of the rule enforcers is automated to any degree, seems ok to me. The human element exists with the athletes, not the infrastructure of the game.
Yeah because everyone's completely on the same page with that. There's no such thing as performance enhancing chemicals and no one on the Tour fakes having asthma, that's so not a thing. Everyone knows where the line is.
Please love yourself.
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Half the fun is complaining about the umpires…
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@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
I think most people have an idea that the line would allow for automated timing of sprints rather than hand stopwatches.
The line I have proposed, where the jobs of the rule enforcers is automated to any degree, seems ok to me. The human element exists with the athletes, not the infrastructure of the game.
Yeah because everyone's completely on the same page with that. There's no such thing as performance enhancing chemicals and no one on the Tour fakes having asthma, that's so not a thing. Everyone knows where the line is.
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Aqua-Letifer said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
@Horace said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
Maybe we should start hand-timing the Olympic 100 meter dashes again.
We lost something there, too, it's just that almost nobody cares about it.
We're really good with implementing new technology but we have no fucking idea how or where to draw the line.
I think most people have an idea that the line would allow for automated timing of sprints rather than hand stopwatches.
The line I have proposed, where the jobs of the rule enforcers is automated to any degree, seems ok to me. The human element exists with the athletes, not the infrastructure of the game.
Yeah because everyone's completely on the same page with that. There's no such thing as performance enhancing chemicals and no one on the Tour fakes having asthma, that's so not a thing. Everyone knows where the line is.
Line is between athletes and infrastructure, but still that doesn’t specify exactly where the line is. We don’t need to all agree exactly where the line is. But I suspect most people would agree that technology in measurements is for the best. Whether that means swimming pools are all the same size, races are timed accurately down to the millisecond, or strike zones become repeatable and predictable and measurable.
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What used to be a 2.5 hour game is now a 3.5 hour game, with timeout for reviews it will become a 4.5 hour game.
250+ pitches to review every game
The double play at second will never be the same
Foreign substances under the pitcher's belt reviewed
No more framing pitches, this is a big deal
What if Russian hackers get into the software?
Sports betting shops will be hacking into systems
Will an umpire just stand there handing new balls to the catcher and reading the newspaper in between pitches?
@Copper said in I, for one, welcome out new robot umpires:
What used to be a 2.5 hour game is now a 3.5 hour game, with timeout for reviews it will become a 4.5 hour game.
250+ pitches to review every game
The double play at second will never be the same
Foreign substances under the pitcher's belt reviewed
No more framing pitches, this is a big deal
What if Russian hackers get into the software?
Sports betting shops will be hacking into systems
Will an umpire just stand there handing new balls to the catcher and reading the newspaper in between pitches?
Uh, the box has the call before the umpire can raise his hand. Catchers can still frame pitches, that's mostly for the batter, not the ump. A pro game (3.5 hours) is a bit longer than a college game (about 3 hours), because the pros don't have a pitch clock...The college pitch clock is 12 seconds. The pros have been experimenting with a 20 second pitch clock in the minors. That pitch clock has shortened the game by 26 minutes.
The MLB rules committee voted last fall to institute a 15 second (nobody on base) pitch clock, coupled with a 20 second (base runner(s)) clock.
I doubt hackers will hack the box. And the umpire will still have plenty to do.
