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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #17

    And another thread branches out, bearing unexpected fruit. .

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      And another thread branches out, bearing unexpected fruit. .

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      #18

      @Mik said in The poetry thread:

      And another thread branches out, bearing unexpected fruit. .

      LOL

      Moar poetry, please!

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      • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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        Becoming a Redwood
        —Dana Gioia

        Stand in a field long enough, and the sounds
        start up again. The crickets, the invisible
        toad who claims that change is possible,

        And all the other life too small to name.
        First one, then another, until innumerable
        they merge into the single voice of a summer hill.

        Yes, it’s hard to stand still, hour after hour,
        fixed as a fencepost, hearing the steers
        snort in the dark pasture, smelling the manure.

        And paralyzed by the mystery of how a stone
        can bear to be a stone, the pain
        the grass endures breaking through the earth’s crust.

        Unimaginable the redwoods on the far hill,
        rooted for centuries, the living wood grown tall
        and thickened with a hundred thousand days of light.

        The old windmill creaks in perfect time
        to the wind shaking the miles of pasture grass,
        and the last farmhouse light goes off.

        Something moves nearby. Coyotes hunt
        these hills and packs of feral dogs.
        But standing here at night accepts all that.

        You are your own pale shadow in the quarter moon,
        moving more slowly than the crippled stars,
        part of the moonlight as the moonlight falls,

        Part of the grass that answers the wind,
        part of the midnight’s watchfulness that knows
        there is no silence but when danger comes.

        Please love yourself.

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        • Catseye3C Offline
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          #20

          I dunno about this one. There was a writer, now dead, Peg Bracken, who was pretty funny. She would have described this poem as being from the "Look Ma I can Write" school.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #21

            I'm not much of a poetry person, and I am in awe of people who can do it and understand it.

            However, one of my favorites has always been this, by ee cummings:

            anyone lived in a pretty how town
            (with up so floating many bells down)
            spring summer autumn winter
            he sang his didn't he danced his did.

            Women and men(both little and small)
            cared for anyone not at all
            they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
            sun moon stars rain

            children guessed(but only a few
            and down they forgot as up they grew
            autumn winter spring summer)
            that noone loved him more by more

            when by now and tree by leaf
            she laughed his joy she cried his grief
            bird by snow and stir by still
            anyone's any was all to her

            someones married their everyones
            laughed their cryings and did their dance
            (sleep wake hope and then)they
            said their nevers they slept their dream

            stars rain sun moon
            (and only the snow can begin to explain
            how children are apt to forget to remember
            with up so floating many bells down)

            one day anyone died i guess
            (and noone stooped to kiss his face)
            busy folk buried them side by side
            little by little and was by was

            all by all and deep by deep
            and more by more they dream their sleep
            noone and anyone earth by april
            wish by spirit and if by yes.

            Women and men(both dong and ding)
            summer autumn winter spring
            reaped their sowing and went their came
            sun moon stars rain

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • Catseye3C Offline
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              #22

              Cheer up, George; here's one for you:

              The Octopus

              Tell me, O Octopus, I begs
              Is those things arms, or is they legs?
              I marvel at thee, Octopus;
              If I were thou, I'd call me Us.

              Ogden Nash

              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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              • Catseye3C Catseye3

                I dunno about this one. There was a writer, now dead, Peg Bracken, who was pretty funny. She would have described this poem as being from the "Look Ma I can Write" school.

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                #23

                @Catseye3 said in The poetry thread:

                I dunno about this one. There was a writer, now dead, Peg Bracken, who was pretty funny. She would have described this poem as being from the "Look Ma I can Write" school.

                There are personal preferences regarding poetry, and there's judging work on merit. I don't like a lot of Dana Gioia's stuff, but I'm sorry, no, saying he can write would be a massive understatement.

                Please love yourself.

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                • George KG George K

                  I'm not much of a poetry person, and I am in awe of people who can do it and understand it.

                  However, one of my favorites has always been this, by ee cummings:

                  anyone lived in a pretty how town
                  (with up so floating many bells down)
                  spring summer autumn winter
                  he sang his didn't he danced his did.

                  Women and men(both little and small)
                  cared for anyone not at all
                  they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
                  sun moon stars rain

                  children guessed(but only a few
                  and down they forgot as up they grew
                  autumn winter spring summer)
                  that noone loved him more by more

                  when by now and tree by leaf
                  she laughed his joy she cried his grief
                  bird by snow and stir by still
                  anyone's any was all to her

                  someones married their everyones
                  laughed their cryings and did their dance
                  (sleep wake hope and then)they
                  said their nevers they slept their dream

                  stars rain sun moon
                  (and only the snow can begin to explain
                  how children are apt to forget to remember
                  with up so floating many bells down)

                  one day anyone died i guess
                  (and noone stooped to kiss his face)
                  busy folk buried them side by side
                  little by little and was by was

                  all by all and deep by deep
                  and more by more they dream their sleep
                  noone and anyone earth by april
                  wish by spirit and if by yes.

                  Women and men(both dong and ding)
                  summer autumn winter spring
                  reaped their sowing and went their came
                  sun moon stars rain

                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #24

                  @George-K said in The poetry thread:

                  I'm not much of a poetry person, and I am in awe of people who can do it and understand it.

                  However, one of my favorites has always been this, by ee cummings:

                  anyone lived in a pretty how town
                  (with up so floating many bells down)
                  spring summer autumn winter
                  he sang his didn't he danced his did.

                  Women and men(both little and small)
                  cared for anyone not at all
                  they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
                  sun moon stars rain

                  children guessed(but only a few
                  and down they forgot as up they grew
                  autumn winter spring summer)
                  that noone loved him more by more

                  when by now and tree by leaf
                  she laughed his joy she cried his grief
                  bird by snow and stir by still
                  anyone's any was all to her

                  someones married their everyones
                  laughed their cryings and did their dance
                  (sleep wake hope and then)they
                  said their nevers they slept their dream

                  stars rain sun moon
                  (and only the snow can begin to explain
                  how children are apt to forget to remember
                  with up so floating many bells down)

                  one day anyone died i guess
                  (and noone stooped to kiss his face)
                  busy folk buried them side by side
                  little by little and was by was

                  all by all and deep by deep
                  and more by more they dream their sleep
                  noone and anyone earth by april
                  wish by spirit and if by yes.

                  Women and men(both dong and ding)
                  summer autumn winter spring
                  reaped their sowing and went their came
                  sun moon stars rain

                  cummings is great. If you like such stuff, Spike Milligan might be up your street.

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • ChatGPTC Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #25

                    Trees, tall and grand,
                    Nature's pillars strong and grand,
                    With branches reaching for the sky,
                    A sight that makes my heart take flight.

                    Leaves rustling in the breeze,
                    A symphony of green and ease,
                    Trunk rough and bark so deep,
                    A beauty that's impossible to keep.

                    Rooted deep in Mother Earth,
                    A symbol of unyielding worth,
                    A sanctuary for creatures small,
                    A home for one and all.

                    In spring they bud, in summer they thrive,
                    In fall they change, in winter they survive,
                    Trees, tall and grand,
                    Nature's beauty that we all understand.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #26

                      As I said, I'm not much of a poetry guy. I don't understand much of it, other than enjoying how words are put together.

                      Another one that I've always liked was one by Shakespeare. Sonnet 29:

                      When, in disgrace with fortune and men’s eyes,
                      I all alone beweep my outcast state,
                      And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
                      And look upon myself and curse my fate,
                      Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
                      Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,
                      Desiring this man’s art and that man’s scope,
                      With what I most enjoy contented least;
                      Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
                      Haply I think on thee, and then my state,
                      (Like to the lark at break of day arising
                      From sullen earth) sings hymns at heaven’s gate;

                      For thy sweet love remembered such wealth brings
                      That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

                      "Haply" meaning "as if by chance."

                      What a wonderful turn of the phrase: "Trouble deaf heaven with my bootless (useless) cries." Not only is heaven not listening, but my pleas are a bother.

                      I love this sonnet.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        #27

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                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          That's excellent, Mik. I've not read that one before.

                          I love this one because it has two elements you almost never see in poetry: plot revelation through dialogue, and drama through stage direction.

                          The Fear
                          —Robert Frost

                          A lantern light from deeper in the barn
                          Shone on a man and woman in the door
                          And threw their lurching shadows on a house
                          Near by, all dark in every glossy window.
                          A horse’s hoof pawed once the hollow floor,
                          And the back of the gig they stood beside
                          Moved in a little. The man grasped a wheel,
                          The woman spoke out sharply, “Whoa, stand still!”
                          “I saw it just as plain as a white plate,”
                          She said, “as the light on the dashboard ran
                          Along the bushes at the roadside—a man’s face.
                          You must have seen it too.”

                          “I didn’t see it.

                          Are you sure——”

                          “Yes, I’m sure!”

                          “—it was a face?”

                          “Joel, I’ll have to look. I can’t go in,
                          I can’t, and leave a thing like that unsettled.
                          Doors locked and curtains drawn will make no difference.
                          I always have felt strange when we came home
                          To the dark house after so long an absence,
                          And the key rattled loudly into place
                          Seemed to warn someone to be getting out
                          At one door as we entered at another.
                          What if I’m right, and someone all the time—
                          Don’t hold my arm!”

                          “I say it’s someone passing.”

                          “You speak as if this were a travelled road.
                          You forget where we are. What is beyond
                          That he’d be going to or coming from
                          At such an hour of night, and on foot too.
                          What was he standing still for in the bushes?”

                          “It’s not so very late—it’s only dark.
                          There’s more in it than you’re inclined to say.
                          Did he look like——?”

                          “He looked like anyone.
                          I’ll never rest to-night unless I know.
                          Give me the lantern.”

                          “You don’t want the lantern.”

                          She pushed past him and got it for herself.

                          “You’re not to come,” she said. “This is my business.
                          If the time’s come to face it, I’m the one
                          To put it the right way. He’d never dare—
                          Listen! He kicked a stone. Hear that, hear that!
                          He’s coming towards us. Joel, go in—please.
                          Hark!—I don’t hear him now. But please go in.”

                          “In the first place you can’t make me believe it’s——”

                          “It is—or someone else he’s sent to watch.
                          And now’s the time to have it out with him
                          While we know definitely where he is.
                          Let him get off and he’ll be everywhere
                          Around us, looking out of trees and bushes
                          Till I sha’n’t dare to set a foot outdoors.
                          And I can’t stand it. Joel, let me go!”

                          “But it’s nonsense to think he’d care enough.”

                          “You mean you couldn’t understand his caring.
                          Oh, but you see he hadn’t had enough—
                          Joel, I won’t—I won’t—I promise you.
                          We mustn’t say hard things. You mustn’t either.”

                          “I’ll be the one, if anybody goes!
                          But you give him the advantage with this light.
                          What couldn’t he do to us standing here!
                          And if to see was what he wanted, why
                          He has seen all there was to see and gone.”

                          He appeared to forget to keep his hold,
                          But advanced with her as she crossed the grass.

                          “What do you want?” she cried to all the dark.
                          She stretched up tall to overlook the light
                          That hung in both hands hot against her skirt.

                          “There’s no one; so you’re wrong,” he said.

                          “There is.—
                          What do you want?” she cried, and then herself
                          Was startled when an answer really came.

                          “Nothing.” It came from well along the road.

                          She reached a hand to Joel for support:
                          The smell of scorching woollen made her faint.

                          “What are you doing round this house at night?”

                          “Nothing.” A pause: there seemed no more to say.

                          And then the voice again: “You seem afraid.
                          I saw by the way you whipped up the horse.
                          I’ll just come forward in the lantern light
                          And let you see.”

                          “Yes, do.—Joel, go back!”

                          She stood her ground against the noisy steps
                          That came on, but her body rocked a little.

                          “You see,” the voice said.

                          “Oh.” She looked and looked.

                          “You don’t see—I’ve a child here by the hand.”

                          “What’s a child doing at this time of night——?”

                          “Out walking. Every child should have the memory
                          Of at least one long-after-bedtime walk.
                          What, son?”

                          “Then I should think you’d try to find
                          Somewhere to walk——”

                          “The highway as it happens—
                          We’re stopping for the fortnight down at Dean’s.”

                          “But if that’s all—Joel—you realize—
                          You won’t think anything. You understand?
                          You understand that we have to be careful.
                          This is a very, very lonely place.
                          Joel!” She spoke as if she couldn’t turn.
                          The swinging lantern lengthened to the ground,
                          It touched, it struck it, clattered and went out.

                          Please love yourself.

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                            #29

                            @Mik

                            Love this: . . . Of yellow leaves and gossamer in autumns that there were, with morning mist and silver sun.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              #30

                              The Tuesday Afternoon All-Staff
                              (for Bill Watterson)

                              With chairs and tables ready
                              They shuffled through the doors:
                              The corporate colts, the suited dolts,
                              The vain attention whores

                              Hellos polite and petty
                              The rabble took their seats
                              Remarks prepared were curtly shared
                              In white collated sheets

                              His Powerpoint as reference
                              The lead began to talk
                              He said and smiled, "I promise I'll
                              Be mindful of the clock."

                              His cohorts waved indifference
                              As pastries swept the room
                              With platters passed and sweets amassed
                              More coffee was consumed

                              "In short," the speaker lectured,
                              And lightly twitched an eye
                              "Our profit's low. For us to grow,
                              I need you all to die."

                              "I've made it quick," he gestured,
                              And held his coffee up,
                              "On my behalf the conference staff
                              Have laced the paper cups."

                              "The food as well," he carried on,
                              As nervous laughter spread
                              But heaving loud, a VP bowed--
                              His face a mottled red

                              The speaker motioned, "When you're gone,
                              You aren't to be replaced.
                              So when you weigh staff severance pay
                              With staff that's been erased..."

                              He shrugged, the room erupting now
                              With agonizing moans,
                              "The plan appears a shock to hear,
                              But know you're not alone:

                              "This fiscal on, the Board has vowed:
                              'Cut all redundant costs.'
                              It's not just you--my living, too,
                              Would constitute a loss."

                              The sickly few still standing up
                              Collapsed and hit the floor
                              "An hour ahead," the speaker said,
                              "How helpful for the Board!"

                              Now sipping from his coffee cup,
                              He promptly changed the screen
                              "Up next is George with Corporate Purge:
                              What 'Diminution' Means."

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                #31

                                😁

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  #32

                                  And the poets down here don't write nothing at all
                                  They just stand back and let it all be
                                  And in the quick of a knife, they reach for their moment
                                  And try to make an honest stand
                                  But they wind up wounded, not even dead
                                  Tonight in Jungleland

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #33

                                    Always loved this one.

                                    Do not go gentle into that good night
                                    —Dylan Thomas

                                    Do not go gentle into that good night,
                                    Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
                                    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                    Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
                                    Because their words had forked no lightning they
                                    Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                    Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
                                    Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
                                    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                    Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
                                    And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
                                    Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                    Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
                                    Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
                                    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                    And you, my father, there on the sad height,
                                    Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
                                    Do not go gentle into that good night.
                                    Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      Always loved this one.

                                      Do not go gentle into that good night
                                      —Dylan Thomas

                                      Do not go gentle into that good night,
                                      Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
                                      Because their words had forked no lightning they
                                      Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                      Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
                                      Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
                                      And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
                                      Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                      Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
                                      Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      And you, my father, there on the sad height,
                                      Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
                                      Do not go gentle into that good night.
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                                      #34

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                                      Always loved this one.

                                      Do not go gentle into that good night
                                      —Dylan Thomas

                                      Do not go gentle into that good night,
                                      Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
                                      Because their words had forked no lightning they
                                      Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                      Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
                                      Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
                                      And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
                                      Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                      Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
                                      Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      And you, my father, there on the sad height,
                                      Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
                                      Do not go gentle into that good night.
                                      Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                      That's a favourite of mine. I don't really get much poetry, but I love Dylan Thomas. As a kid I grew up with his recording of 'A child's Christmas in Wales', which is also brilliant, if not really poetry, although arguably everything he wrote is.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                                        Always loved this one.

                                        Do not go gentle into that good night
                                        —Dylan Thomas

                                        Do not go gentle into that good night,
                                        Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
                                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                        Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
                                        Because their words had forked no lightning they
                                        Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                        Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
                                        Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
                                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                        Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
                                        And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
                                        Do not go gentle into that good night.

                                        Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
                                        Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
                                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                        And you, my father, there on the sad height,
                                        Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
                                        Do not go gentle into that good night.
                                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                        That's a favourite of mine. I don't really get much poetry, but I love Dylan Thomas. As a kid I grew up with his recording of 'A child's Christmas in Wales', which is also brilliant, if not really poetry, although arguably everything he wrote is.

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                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                                        I don't really get much poetry,

                                        That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                                        Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                                          I don't really get much poetry,

                                          That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                                          Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in The poetry thread:

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in The poetry thread:

                                          I don't really get much poetry,

                                          That's not on you, that's on poetry. When most written poetry is navel-gazy shit that gets published in obscure university presses to help some wanker keep his lecturing job, that's what you have. You have people saying they don't "get" poetry.

                                          Occasional dense and opaque stuff is fine, but the whole damn art form isn't supposed to be locked up in some word-game ivory tower.

                                          I don't quite know why I love Dylan Thomas so much. I lived in a village in South Wales for a while (the birthplace of Tom Jones, as it happens), and you could almost hear him (Thomas, that is) as you walked down the street. It was also a great place to go drinking, of course.

                                          I was only joking

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