Classified files found at President's former office...
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It is difficult to believe that executives pull their own files to be taken off site. I’m wondering if both these events were precipitated by staffers without the skills to determine what could and could not be taken. It may be that all predecessors had similar lots, we just did not have as many vultures waiting to swoop,
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 19:59 last edited by@Mik said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
It may be that all predecessors had similar lots, we just did not have as many vultures waiting to swoop,
That's the current deflection. How can anyone be so irresponsible, so careless?
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wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 20:07 last edited by
In fairness, I am skeptical about Trump's claim that he declassified the papers found at Mar-A-Lago.
But still....
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In fairness, I am skeptical about Trump's claim that he declassified the papers found at Mar-A-Lago.
But still....
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 20:11 last edited by@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
In fairness, I am skeptical about Trump's claim that he declassified the papers found at Mar-A-Lago.
It doesn't matter, according to some people. Just thinking about declassifying them whilst being President is enough.
It's a bit like the idea that committing adultery with people in your mind is as bad as actually having sex with them.
Complete bullshit, in other words.I had teh sex with 9 million wimmenz.Anywho......
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Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Meanwhile AG Garland has appointed a special counsel:
Attorney General Merrick Garland has appointed a special counsel to investigate the handling of classified documents found at a former office and the Delaware home of President Biden — ratcheting up the high stakes and potential consequences surrounding national security cases that have now ensnared both the current president and his predecessor.
Garland made the announcement Thursday at the Justice Department, tapping Robert K. Hur, a former U.S. Attorney in Maryland who also served as a senior Justice Department official during the Trump administration.
It is the second time in two months Garland has named a special counsel to investigate the handling of classified materials found in the home and office of a current or former commander-in-chief. In November, he assigned veteran federal prosecutor Jack Smith to oversee day-to-day operations of the criminal probe of former president Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents after leaving the White House; Smith is also managing aspects of the Justice Dept.’s investigation of the events leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol that are most closely linked to Trump.
A special counsel has more independence from Justice Department leaders than other federal prosecutors, but still ultimately answers to the attorney general.
The Biden documents special counsel will examine the discovery of at least two sets of classified material. About 10 documents from Biden’s time as vice president were found Nov. 2 at the Washington-based Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement, an institute in Biden started after leaving the vice presidency in 2017.Remember, "intent" is a sufficient reason to dismiss all this falderol.
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 21:50 last edited by@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Please tell me they found them in the glovebox of his T-Top Trans-Am…Please!
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@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Please tell me they found them in the glovebox of his T-Top Trans-Am…Please!
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 22:01 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Please tell me they found them in the glovebox of his T-Top Trans-Am…Please!
At the news conference he said the documents were stored with his Corvette.
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 22:10 last edited by George K 1 Dec 2023, 22:14
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wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 22:14 last edited by
Some are calling for disclosure of the visitor logs at the Delaware home. Apparently official logs are not kept (wouldn't want to disclose who sees POTUS, just in case, while not at the WH). However, the Secret Service does keep a record.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Please tell me they found them in the glovebox of his T-Top Trans-Am…Please!
At the news conference he said the documents were stored with his Corvette.
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 22:44 last edited by@Copper said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@LuFins-Dad said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Please tell me they found them in the glovebox of his T-Top Trans-Am…Please!
At the news conference he said the documents were stored with his Corvette.
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Now three locations: also in the garage adjacent to the house.
Please tell me they found them in the glovebox of his T-Top Trans-Am…Please!
At the news conference he said the documents were stored with his Corvette.
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 22:48 last edited by@Copper said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
It's a TRANS something, after all.
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@Copper said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
It's a TRANS something, after all.
wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 22:51 last edited by@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@Copper said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
I guess it is possible that he thinks his Trans-Am is a Corvette.
It's a TRANS something, after all.
It self identifies as a ‘Vette…
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wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 23:55 last edited by
Just saw a comment: The DOJ knew about these documents being mishandled BEFORE they appointed a special counsel to investigate Trump.
Why were they silent?
Why were they silent at the time?
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Just saw a comment: The DOJ knew about these documents being mishandled BEFORE they appointed a special counsel to investigate Trump.
Why were they silent?
Why were they silent at the time?
wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 00:14 last edited by Copper@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Just saw a comment: The DOJ knew about these documents being mishandled BEFORE they appointed a special counsel to investigate Trump.
Why were they silent?
Why were they silent at the time?
It's not their job
I'm sure they assumed the press would cover it
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 00:22 last edited by
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wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 00:41 last edited by
What did Frank Zappa know, and when did he know it?
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wrote on 14 Jan 2023, 22:51 last edited by
More papers found today, in another location at his house.
So by saying he takes this "seriously," I guess he means, he doesn't really know.
Also, this raises the question: Who's looking at these documents, and why are they being moved around? Presumably, they were all in one place, at one time, and now, they're in three different locations that we know of.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 01:06 last edited by
Karl Rove commented that CBS News was aware of the fact that there were classified documents in unauthorized locations AT THE TIME they were found - in November. CBS alleges that they reached out to the White House, and got no reply.
CBS knew, and they were silent.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 13:13 last edited by
So far, we're up to four locations. Most recently, in the file cabinet in
the SCIFBiden's home office. Somehow that belies the narrative that the last days of the Obama administration were chaotic and "things just got thrown in there." This was a deliberate placement.One theory is that there's movement by Democrats to have Biden step aside and not run in 2024 paving the way for
Mayor PeteKamalasomeone else. The unearthing of these documents gives a credible reason to have him not run.Another theory I've read is that the attorney investigating Hunter Biden pushed to have these documents "found" because they contain evidence of Hunter and Joe's improprieties regarding foreign countries.
By the way, how is it that, in 2018, Hunter claimed that he owned the house where Joe is living now?
Most logical explanation is that he lied.
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wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 13:26 last edited by
One theory is that there's movement by Democrats to have Biden step aside and not run in 2024 paving the way for Mayor Pete Kamala someone else. The unearthing of these documents gives a credible reason to have him not run.
Yep. And that would explain the barking dogs that don't bark unless told to...
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@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Just saw a comment: The DOJ knew about these documents being mishandled BEFORE they appointed a special counsel to investigate Trump.
Why were they silent?
Why were they silent at the time?
It's not their job
I'm sure they assumed the press would cover it
wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 13:27 last edited by@Copper said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
@George-K said in Classified files found at President's former office...:
Just saw a comment: The DOJ knew about these documents being mishandled BEFORE they appointed a special counsel to investigate Trump.
Why were they silent?
Why were they silent at the time?
It's not their job
I'm sure they assumed the press would cover it
You already know the answer.
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One theory is that there's movement by Democrats to have Biden step aside and not run in 2024 paving the way for Mayor Pete Kamala someone else. The unearthing of these documents gives a credible reason to have him not run.
Yep. And that would explain the barking dogs that don't bark unless told to...
wrote on 15 Jan 2023, 13:32 last edited by@Jolly this would probably be a nothingburger if it hadn't been for the hair-on-fire screeching about what happened at Mar-A-Lago.
"HE HAD NUCLEAR CODES!!!"
Remember that? Yeah.
This is not to excuse what Trump did, or the alleged obstruction, but the fact that it was ginned up to be such a scandal makes it damn hard to avoid applying the Trump Standard to Biden, while preventing the Clinton Standard's application to Trump.
Of course, the story is morphing into a few themes:
- It is, actually a nothingburger
- Republicans are pouncing (seizing?) on this
- Justifying the coverage of this story being different from Trump
