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Surgical Masks vs N95s

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    George K
    wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 13:33 last edited by
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    https://www.jwatch.org/na55566/2023/01/04/are-surgical-masks-adequate-healthcare-workers-caring

    Are Surgical Masks Adequate for Healthcare Workers Caring for Patients with COVID-19?

    Daniel Kaul, MD, reviewing Loeb M et al. Ann Intern Med 2022 Dec

    In a randomized trial, surgical masks were noninferior to fitted N95 respirators for inpatient healthcare workers.

    Recommendations vary regarding type of mask worn by healthcare workers (HCWs) caring for inpatients with COVID-19. Now, researchers report results of a randomized, controlled, international trial of fitted N95 respirators versus surgical masks for HCWs.

    The trial was conducted at 27 acute care hospitals and 2 long-term care facilities in 4 countries. Canadian centers enrolled about one quarter of the 1009 participants during the pre-Omicron era, and Egyptian centers enrolled just over half after Omicron emerged. During 10 weeks' follow-up, PCR-confirmed COVID-19 occurred in 52 of 497 HCWs (10.5%) wearing medical masks and 47 of 507 (9.3%) using N95 respirators. Thus, medical masks were shown to be noninferior. Significant effect heterogeneity was seen between countries, with better protection from N95 respirators observed in Canada compared with Egypt. Seropositivity at baseline and known community exposure to SARS-CoV-2 did not explain the differences between counties.

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    Interesting.

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    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      kluurs
      wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 15:03 last edited by
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      "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

      G C 2 Replies Last reply 12 Jan 2023, 15:29
      • K kluurs
        12 Jan 2023, 15:03

        "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

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        George K
        wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 15:29 last edited by
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        @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

        "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

        I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • G George K
          12 Jan 2023, 15:29

          @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

          "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

          I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 15:34 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Dec 2023, 15:35
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          @George-K said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

          @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

          "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

          I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

          We never say somewhere is 'safe'. We say Hazardous (Classified) location, and Unclassified location. That way, when somebody gets drunk, falls down and breaks their neck they can't sue us.

          I was only joking

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          • G George K
            12 Jan 2023, 15:29

            @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

            "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

            I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

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            Renauda
            wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 16:39 last edited by
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            @George-K said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

            @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

            "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

            I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

            How about “no worse than….”.

            Elbows up!

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              Jolly
              wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 17:02 last edited by
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              Noted that N95's were better at protection in Canada vs. Egypt. How much better?

              And were Canadian healthcare and Egyptian healthcare exposed for approximately the same length of time?

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              • K kluurs
                12 Jan 2023, 15:03

                "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

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                Copper
                wrote on 12 Jan 2023, 17:28 last edited by
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                @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

                It makes the user look nonstupid.

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                • G George K
                  12 Jan 2023, 15:29

                  @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                  "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

                  I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

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                  Klaus
                  wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 08:09 last edited by
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                  @George-K said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                  @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                  "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

                  I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

                  "as good as" means "about the same".

                  "noninferior" would include the possibility of being vastly superior.

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                  • K Klaus
                    13 Jan 2023, 08:09

                    @George-K said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                    @kluurs said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                    "noninferior" - not noninferior word choice.

                    I'm seeing that kind of terminology a lot these days. Why not simply say "as good as" or "as effective?"

                    "as good as" means "about the same".

                    "noninferior" would include the possibility of being vastly superior.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 13 Jan 2023, 12:49 last edited by
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                    @Klaus said in Surgical Masks vs N95s:

                    "noninferior" would include the possibility of being vastly superior.

                    Of course.

                    However, if the study showed something to be vastly superior, wouldn't they just say that?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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