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    Jolly
    wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 16:40 last edited by Jolly 1 Sept 2023, 16:40
    #1

    Biased, admittedly, but how much blame does Pelosi deserve?

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/01/08/more-proof-that-nancy-pelosi-was-more-responsible-for-j6-riot-than-trump-n1659840

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Horace
      wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 19:21 last edited by
      #2

      With reasonable security, January 6 would be a forgotten footnote, rather than a prominent entry in all the grade school textbooks. An entry treasured by every indoctrinated leftist in the country.

      Education is extremely important.

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        9 Jan 2023, 16:40

        Biased, admittedly, but how much blame does Pelosi deserve?

        https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/01/08/more-proof-that-nancy-pelosi-was-more-responsible-for-j6-riot-than-trump-n1659840

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 19:41 last edited by
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        @Jolly said in Queen of the Mob?:

        ... how much blame does Pelosi deserve?

        None.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 19:53 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Sept 2023, 19:54
          #4

          I love the way the right is trying to blame this whole debacle on the left, as though they were the ones dressed up like a bunch of twats running around acting like dickheads.

          You can blame the BLM violence on the Left - this one is all down to Trump and his sad little bunch of Beliebers.

          I was only joking

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            Copper
            wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 22:45 last edited by
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            Don't forget all the FBI employees that were part of the doofuss crowd.

            Without their leadership the crowd never would have found the Capitol.

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              Horace
              wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 22:49 last edited by
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              The idiocy of the idiots who did the trespassing and breaking and entering and whatever violence there was, is shameful and obviously counter productive to anybody who wants the best for conservative politics. The fact remains that one of the necessary ingredients in making January 6 a godsend for the Democrats, was an absence of reasonable security.

              Education is extremely important.

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                xenon
                wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 23:19 last edited by
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                Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

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                • X xenon
                  9 Jan 2023, 23:19

                  Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                  But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

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                  Horace
                  wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 23:40 last edited by
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                  @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                  Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                  But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                  With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                  I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • H Horace
                    9 Jan 2023, 23:40

                    @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                    Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                    But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                    With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                    I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

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                    xenon
                    wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 23:43 last edited by xenon 1 Sept 2023, 23:44
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                    @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                    @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                    Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                    But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                    With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                    I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                    100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                    But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                    I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

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                      9 Jan 2023, 23:43

                      @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                      @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                      Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                      But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                      With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                      I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                      100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                      But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                      I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on 9 Jan 2023, 23:53 last edited by
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                      @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                      @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                      @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                      Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                      But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                      With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                      I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                      100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                      But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                      I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

                      There is no novelty in government building security, or mobs getting out of hand. If anybody's imagination failed them, they are morons. If those morons were responsible for security at the Capitol, they are morons who are also bad at their jobs.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • H Horace
                        9 Jan 2023, 23:53

                        @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                        @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                        @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                        Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                        But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                        With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                        I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                        100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                        But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                        I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

                        There is no novelty in government building security, or mobs getting out of hand. If anybody's imagination failed them, they are morons. If those morons were responsible for security at the Capitol, they are morons who are also bad at their jobs.

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                        xenon
                        wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 00:39 last edited by xenon 1 Oct 2023, 00:41
                        #11

                        @Horace What I'm saying is that no one really thought regular Americans would think it was a good idea to try and rush the Capitol building.

                        Just like - before the multiple assassination / attempts of U.S. Presidents last century - we didn't really think they needed ironclad security.

                        The Canadian Prime Minister, for example. has way less security than the U.S. President - but no one has really taken shots at them either.

                        What I'm saying is that - we typically only secure against things that have already happened.

                        I think this is probably the most cost-effective way to secure an open society as well.

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                          xenon
                          wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 00:44 last edited by
                          #12

                          One more add - if we really thought Jan. 6 was preventable with security, then Trump winding them up even further was unconscionable.

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                          • X xenon
                            10 Jan 2023, 00:39

                            @Horace What I'm saying is that no one really thought regular Americans would think it was a good idea to try and rush the Capitol building.

                            Just like - before the multiple assassination / attempts of U.S. Presidents last century - we didn't really think they needed ironclad security.

                            The Canadian Prime Minister, for example. has way less security than the U.S. President - but no one has really taken shots at them either.

                            What I'm saying is that - we typically only secure against things that have already happened.

                            I think this is probably the most cost-effective way to secure an open society as well.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 01:28 last edited by
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                            @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                            @Horace What I'm saying is that no one really thought regular Americans would think it was a good idea to try and rush the Capitol building.

                            Just like - before the multiple assassination / attempts of U.S. Presidents last century - we didn't really think they needed ironclad security.

                            The Canadian Prime Minister, for example. has way less security than the U.S. President - but no one has really taken shots at them either.

                            What I'm saying is that - we typically only secure against things that have already happened.

                            I think this is probably the most cost-effective way to secure an open society as well.

                            For goodness' sakes, let us not have facts get in the way of our premeditated opinion!

                            How about a few facts?

                            Fact #1 - Pelosi was responsible for the Capitol buildings safety. She could task more capitol police or ask for other assets.
                            Fact #2 - Trump's Administration offered NG troops for crowd control and security.
                            Fact #3 - The Speaker failed to beef up security enough, either through her available assets or through her acceptance of NG troops.

                            Conjecture: Either Pelosi badly underestimated the possibility of the crowd getting out of control ( and remember, the actual rioters were only a very tiny percent of the people who attended the rally) or she weighed the politics of increased security and made her decision based on politics. The extremely cynical among us would argue that she possibly would not cry tears, if an incident of some kind did happen.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              10 Jan 2023, 00:44

                              One more add - if we really thought Jan. 6 was preventable with security, then Trump winding them up even further was unconscionable.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 01:29 last edited by
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                              @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                              One more add - if we really thought Jan. 6 was preventable with security, then Trump winding them up even further was unconscionable.

                              Then why did Trump tell them to protest peacefully?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                9 Jan 2023, 23:43

                                @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                                But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                                With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                                I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                                100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                                But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                                I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

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                                LuFins Dad
                                wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 01:40 last edited by
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                                @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                                But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                                With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                                I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                                100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                                But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                                I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

                                Sorry, but no. There were multiple points of security starting 3 blocks out from the Capital for years before January 6th. The Capitol Police manning those checkpoints were normally in Kevlar and helmets since the riots in DC over Trump’s inauguration. They geared up even more once the George Floyd riots began. If you would have visited the Capitol on January 3rd, you would have found Capitol Police better equipped than they were on Jan 6th..

                                Beyond that, once the barricades were breached, the building was sealed. I still haven’t seen an explanation of how the mob breached 20,000 pound metal doors. I would very much like to know that.

                                The Brad

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 01:42 last edited by
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                                  Maybe that's a question the committee should have asked...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    10 Jan 2023, 01:40

                                    @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                    @Horace said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                    @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                    Let’s not forget that the rioters paid for the capitol building and had every right to be there. And nothing they did warranted shooting them.

                                    But it’s also the left’s fault that they didn’t do enough to stop them.

                                    With reasonable security, that clusterfuck with the makeshift barricade and the panicked officer, wouldn't have happened.

                                    I'm not the one who thinks the avenue to a legitimate coup lay within the Capitol grounds. For those who accept that narrative, we should start talking about reasonable security and why it was not present.

                                    100% agreed that better security could have prevented this. And I think going forward it'll be a lot more secure.

                                    But the security failure was a failure of imagination - just like things like 9/11 before it.

                                    I don't think anyone really thought we needed a riot squad at the capitol before this.

                                    Sorry, but no. There were multiple points of security starting 3 blocks out from the Capital for years before January 6th. The Capitol Police manning those checkpoints were normally in Kevlar and helmets since the riots in DC over Trump’s inauguration. They geared up even more once the George Floyd riots began. If you would have visited the Capitol on January 3rd, you would have found Capitol Police better equipped than they were on Jan 6th..

                                    Beyond that, once the barricades were breached, the building was sealed. I still haven’t seen an explanation of how the mob breached 20,000 pound metal doors. I would very much like to know that.

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 02:03 last edited by
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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                    There were multiple points of security starting 3 blocks out from the Capital for years before January 6th. The Capitol Police manning those checkpoints were normally in Kevlar and helmets since the riots in DC over Trump’s inauguration. They geared up even more once the George Floyd riots began. If you would have visited the Capitol on January 3rd, you would have found Capitol Police better equipped than they were on Jan 6th..

                                    So, contrary to @Horace's assertion, there was reasonable security at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

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                                      xenon
                                      wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 02:03 last edited by
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                                      No, I guess you guys are right. Pelosi is the evil genius who foresaw the Jan 6 attacks and started putting the wheels in motion to make it happen in December.

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                                        10 Jan 2023, 02:03

                                        No, I guess you guys are right. Pelosi is the evil genius who foresaw the Jan 6 attacks and started putting the wheels in motion to make it happen in December.

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 02:06 last edited by
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                                        @xenon said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                        No, I guess you guys are right. Pelosi is the evil genius who foresaw the Jan 6 attacks and started putting the wheels in motion to make it happen in December.

                                        Niiice…

                                        The Brad

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                                          10 Jan 2023, 02:03

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                          There were multiple points of security starting 3 blocks out from the Capital for years before January 6th. The Capitol Police manning those checkpoints were normally in Kevlar and helmets since the riots in DC over Trump’s inauguration. They geared up even more once the George Floyd riots began. If you would have visited the Capitol on January 3rd, you would have found Capitol Police better equipped than they were on Jan 6th..

                                          So, contrary to @Horace's assertion, there was reasonable security at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 10 Jan 2023, 02:08 last edited by
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                                          @Axtremus said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Queen of the Mob?:

                                          There were multiple points of security starting 3 blocks out from the Capital for years before January 6th. The Capitol Police manning those checkpoints were normally in Kevlar and helmets since the riots in DC over Trump’s inauguration. They geared up even more once the George Floyd riots began. If you would have visited the Capitol on January 3rd, you would have found Capitol Police better equipped than they were on Jan 6th..

                                          So, contrary to @Horace's assertion, there was reasonable security at the Capitol on Jan. 6.

                                          Or you are not good at reading comprehension.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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