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Meanwhile, in Houston...

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #10

    Andrew Branca is an attorney whose specialty is self-defense, particularly with respect to firearms.

    He comments:

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      #11

      FFS, you expect him to wait until the robber aims at him?

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        If you start shooting at an armed mugger, and they remain alive, you are at obvious existential threat of being retaliated against. You can't even trust they aren't playing dead.

        If I were on a jury, I would interpret the law as clearly and honestly as possible, and may vote to convict on some charge or other, but I would not consider the act unjust.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          Before firing the last shot, the head shot, he picked up the robber's gun.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            Before firing the last shot, the head shot, he picked up the robber's gun.

            HoraceH Offline
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            Horace
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            @George-K said in Meanwhile, in Houston...:

            Before firing the last shot, the head shot, he picked up the robber's gun.

            Yeah that's illegal.

            Education is extremely important.

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              jon-nyc
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              #15

              The shooter ran and is a fugitive. Whatever theories people come up with need to take that into account.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                The shooter ran and is a fugitive. Whatever theories people come up with need to take that into account.

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                @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, in Houston...:

                The shooter ran and is a fugitive. Whatever theories people come up with need to take that into account.

                The interesting part is what is captured on video. If anybody wants to discuss the legalities around the fact that he is still at large, they are welcome to. But that's not the interesting part to most of us, and legally it has nothing whatsoever to do with the act captured on video.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  The shooter ran and is a fugitive. Whatever theories people come up with need to take that into account.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #17

                  @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, in Houston...:

                  The shooter ran and is a fugitive. Whatever theories people come up with need to take that into account.

                  Branch says that there's no statute prohibiting you from shooting someone in the back if either you feel the guy is a treat to you OR is a threat to someone else.

                  The first four shots, he claims, are justified.

                  ETA: Example - you're in a checkout behind an armed robber who puts a gun to the head of the person in front of him. YOu're justified in shooting him in the back to prevent a death.

                  ETA again: He fires the 9th shot AFTER he's picked up the robber's gun. That's very bad for him.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • IvorythumperI Offline
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                    #18

                    Leaving the scene of a crime is probably a chargeable offense.

                    The last shot might be prosecutable, but at that point it's probably just desecrating a corpse.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #19

                      If you want to, here's the discussion:

                      Link to video

                      The last shot might be prosecutable, but at that point it's probably just desecrating a corpse.

                      That would be up to the ME to determine. Was the guy dead? Who knows.

                      Branca's comments that this might be one of those "Bad for the defendant law," but it might fly with a jury.

                      Also addresses the reasons for him leaving the scene - many of which might not be related to the shooting.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        Yes, the customer seems to have overdone it.

                        But if he doesn't regularly kill robbers and hasn't been instructed how to kill a robber efficiently I would cut him some slack.

                        I would advise him to stop shooting sooner, in the future.

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                        @Copper

                        I agree bullet placement is everything. One shot. Just like in Deer Hunter.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #21

                          The Canadian perspective.

                          Link to video

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/21422/the-president-commemorates-1-6/21

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                              #23

                              Once the adrenaline flows and you start to pull the trigger, it's very hard to stop. Women, in particular, tend to empty a gun when shooting at someone. I suspect that's because they are less likely to resort to deadly force and when they do, they're all in. Regardless, anybody is operating in a different world after that first shot is fired.

                              The head shot is the problem.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Once the adrenaline flows and you start to pull the trigger, it's very hard to stop. Women, in particular, tend to empty a gun when shooting at someone. I suspect that's because they are less likely to resort to deadly force and when they do, they're all in. Regardless, anybody is operating in a different world after that first shot is fired.

                                The head shot is the problem.

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                                George K
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                                @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Houston...:

                                The head shot is the problem.

                                That seems to be the consensus. One might, might, justify the second set of four rounds, but the head shot, when the threat no longer exists is a major issue.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  If there is such a thing as temporary insanity I think most people could legitimately claim it if they had just done that shooting.

                                  And as IT said, at that point he was probably shooting a corpse.

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                                  • CopperC Copper

                                    If there is such a thing as temporary insanity I think most people could legitimately claim it if they had just done that shooting.

                                    And as IT said, at that point he was probably shooting a corpse.

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                                    @Copper said in Meanwhile, in Houston...:

                                    If there is such a thing as temporary insanity I think most people could legitimately claim it if they had just done that shooting.

                                    And as IT said, at that point he was probably shooting a corpse.

                                    Yeah, I could see Adrenalin, Fear, and Shock causing bad things to happen even in a justified shooting. It’s one of the reasons that I don’t own a gun.

                                    The Brad

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                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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