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  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
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    #11

    Is there such a thing as partially transparent?

    Sorry, I'm easily distracted.

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      Is there such a thing as partially transparent?

      Sorry, I'm easily distracted.

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      Horace
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      #12

      @Doctor-Phibes said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

      Is there such a thing as partially transparent?

      Sorry, I'm easily distracted.

      Clearly transparent is among the best forms of transparent. Opaquely transparent is for liberals, who can’t do anything right.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @LuFins-Dad

        And besides that having your name in the phone book didn’t facilitate mob action in the same way that doxxing someone online who the mob is already circling.

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        @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

        @LuFins-Dad

        And besides that having your name in the phone book didn’t facilitate mob action in the same way that doxxing someone online who the mob is already circling.

        This.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #14

          Vox: https://www.vox.com/recode/2022/12/15/23512158/elon-musk-twitter-journalist-purge-has-begun

          Many journalists on Thursday night expressed concern about Twitter’s decisions. The move could prompt more reporters or the media outlets they work for to leave Twitter and try using alternate platforms, such as Mastodon, Discord, and Post.

          “It’s very shady,” said Washington Post tech columnist Taylor Lorenz, who said her account hasn’t been suspended in this wave, despite worries from some of her followers that it might have been. “I don’t understand how news organizations are going to continue to use this platform if they are censoring journalists.”

          This is the woman who doxxed @libsoftiktok

          Wonder what she's hiding?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

            Meet the new boss…

            Clearly different from the old boss with clearly more transparent and generally agreed upon moderation policies.

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            jon-nyc
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            #15

            @Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

            @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

            Meet the new boss…

            Clearly different from the old boss with clearly more transparent and generally agreed upon moderation policies.

            I was thinking arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing, then and now.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

              @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

              Meet the new boss…

              Clearly different from the old boss with clearly more transparent and generally agreed upon moderation policies.

              I was thinking arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing, then and now.

              HoraceH Offline
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              @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

              @Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

              @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

              Meet the new boss…

              Clearly different from the old boss with clearly more transparent and generally agreed upon moderation policies.

              I was thinking arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing, then and now.

              Defining a transparent rule about "doxxing" is the opposite of arbitrary, as I'm sure you would agree, to the extent we're having a real discussion.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Horace

                @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                @Horace said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                Meet the new boss…

                Clearly different from the old boss with clearly more transparent and generally agreed upon moderation policies.

                I was thinking arbitrary and capricious and ever-changing, then and now.

                Defining a transparent rule about "doxxing" is the opposite of arbitrary, as I'm sure you would agree, to the extent we're having a real discussion.

                jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #17

                @Horace

                Zoom out a bit.

                He first said he would go by first amendment rules. If it’s not illegal it’s allowed.

                Later he said he’d convene a new panel before making any decisions.

                Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.

                Then he said he’d moderate tweets rather than accounts.

                Then he banned Kanye.

                Then he said he wouldn’t ban the airplane location guy.

                Then he banned the airplane location account AND the guy behind it.

                And now he’s banning retweets of him.

                What’s next? No one knows. Not even Elon is aware of what next week’s whims will bring.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  @Horace

                  Zoom out a bit.

                  He first said he would go by first amendment rules. If it’s not illegal it’s allowed.

                  Later he said he’d convene a new panel before making any decisions.

                  Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.

                  Then he said he’d moderate tweets rather than accounts.

                  Then he banned Kanye.

                  Then he said he wouldn’t ban the airplane location guy.

                  Then he banned the airplane location account AND the guy behind it.

                  And now he’s banning retweets of him.

                  What’s next? No one knows. Not even Elon is aware of what next week’s whims will bring.

                  HoraceH Offline
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                  Horace
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                  #18

                  @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                  @Horace

                  Zoom out a bit.

                  He first said he would go by first amendment rules. If it’s not illegal it’s allowed.

                  Later he said he’d convene a new panel before making any decisions.

                  Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.

                  Then he said he’d moderate tweets rather than accounts.

                  Then he banned Kanye.

                  Then he said he wouldn’t ban the airplane location guy.

                  Then he banned the airplane location account AND the guy behind it.

                  And now he’s banning retweets of him.

                  What’s next? No one knows. Not even Elon is aware of what next week’s whims will bring.

                  I'm aware of him saying that things would change and that it would take time to settle on a set of rules. I don't remember any promises that any given process in place at any given time was set in stone. Nobody expected zero moderation but for illegal stuff, and nobody expected the rules in place on day one, or day n, would be permanent. This particular move of clearly defining and enforcing a rule against doxxing, is the opposite of arbitrary. Capricious? Well, do you expect the rule to be rescinded? I'll go ahead and predict it won't be. I'm sure we'll all have reason to question the moderation going forward, but this rule against doxxing seems a strange time to pronounce things as arbitrary and capricious and just the same as before. Unless one were motivated to wash away any shame of how things were before.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                    @Horace

                    Zoom out a bit.

                    He first said he would go by first amendment rules. If it’s not illegal it’s allowed.

                    Later he said he’d convene a new panel before making any decisions.

                    Then he restored accounts based on ad hoc polls.

                    Then he said he’d moderate tweets rather than accounts.

                    Then he banned Kanye.

                    Then he said he wouldn’t ban the airplane location guy.

                    Then he banned the airplane location account AND the guy behind it.

                    And now he’s banning retweets of him.

                    What’s next? No one knows. Not even Elon is aware of what next week’s whims will bring.

                    I'm aware of him saying that things would change and that it would take time to settle on a set of rules. I don't remember any promises that any given process in place at any given time was set in stone. Nobody expected zero moderation but for illegal stuff, and nobody expected the rules in place on day one, or day n, would be permanent. This particular move of clearly defining and enforcing a rule against doxxing, is the opposite of arbitrary. Capricious? Well, do you expect the rule to be rescinded? I'll go ahead and predict it won't be. I'm sure we'll all have reason to question the moderation going forward, but this rule against doxxing seems a strange time to pronounce things as arbitrary and capricious and just the same as before. Unless one were motivated to wash away any shame of how things were before.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #19

                    @Horace None of the actions, or few of them at least, are capricious on their own. It’s the constant contradiction. Those radically different policies were all ‘transparently’ communicated in the last 45 days.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @Horace None of the actions, or few of them at least, are capricious on their own. It’s the constant contradiction. Those radically different policies were all ‘transparently’ communicated in the last 45 days.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                      @Horace None of the actions, or few of them at least, are capricious on their own. It’s the constant contradiction. Those radically different policies were all ‘transparently’ communicated in the last 45 days.

                      I think you’re overselling the notion that Musk made any promises about hard and fast permanent rules that he then goes around constantly changing. He has in fact admitted that there would be a bumpy road to stable processes.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                          @Horace None of the actions, or few of them at least, are capricious on their own. It’s the constant contradiction. Those radically different policies were all ‘transparently’ communicated in the last 45 days.

                          I think you’re overselling the notion that Musk made any promises about hard and fast permanent rules that he then goes around constantly changing. He has in fact admitted that there would be a bumpy road to stable processes.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          @Horace I guess if we decide to arbitrarily and capriciously determine which of his tweets are rules and which are musings then we can tell whatever story we want.

                          I will concede that midway through this he did tweet about it taking time to sort out, which he did to stem the exodus of paid advertisers.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @Horace I guess if we decide to arbitrarily and capriciously determine which of his tweets are rules and which are musings then we can tell whatever story we want.

                            I will concede that midway through this he did tweet about it taking time to sort out, which he did to stem the exodus of paid advertisers.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                            @Horace I guess if we decide to arbitrarily and capriciously determine which of his tweets are rules and which are musings then we can tell whatever story we want.

                            I will concede that midway through this he did tweet about it taking time to sort out, which he did to stem the exodus of paid advertisers.

                            Until he makes decisions that are clearly politically biased, he is safely distanced from the prior administration’s worst moderation practices. Nobody cares if he rethinks issues around doxxing until it becomes tribally valent. At this time it doesn’t appear to be.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                                It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.

                                Somebody wrote that Twitter isn't an engineering problem, it's more of a political problem, even if it's not overtly partisan politics it's working with social issues. I'm not convinced that Elon is very good at handling those personal feeling type issues in the way that he has used engineering to solve some other really complex technical problems with his other companies. He's not very smooth when it comes to that stuff.

                                I was only joking

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Twitter suspends journalists...:

                                  It definitely seems less political. It’s more the case, I think, that he thought it was much easier than it turned out to be.

                                  Who else is out there trying to fix a social media platform from a user perspective?

                                  I'm not saying he's successful or that he even cares about the outcome. But compared to who's out there fixing Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube, well, c'mon.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    The ever-wonderful Iowahawk chimes in (screenshots).

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                                    And the last one - tweet is worth reading for the comments.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      Dissent from Bari Weiss

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        I’m getting support for my take in unlikely places.

                                        Or maybe they’re not unlikely, I just misjudged how well they’d adhere to principles.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

                                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                          I’m thinking the Musk move on the airplane guy is having a Streisand effect, rather ironically like Twitter’s 36hr banning of the laptop story did 2 years ago.

                                          Now the guy’s trending on FB, which has 10x the user base of Twitter.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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