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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #57

    Federal prosecutors will almost certainly charge him at some point and congressional hearing would not really facilitate that process anyway.

    Assuming the hypothetical scenario where we had a functional Congress, the utility of hearings would be to help Congress determine what kinds of regulations might be necessary for crypto.

    In the world we actually live in, hearings are just an opportunity for members to perform in front of the cameras.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      Federal prosecutors will almost certainly charge him at some point and congressional hearing would not really facilitate that process anyway.

      Assuming the hypothetical scenario where we had a functional Congress, the utility of hearings would be to help Congress determine what kinds of regulations might be necessary for crypto.

      In the world we actually live in, hearings are just an opportunity for members to perform in front of the cameras.

      George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #58

      @jon-nyc said in SBF/FTX:

      In the world we actually live in, hearings are just an opportunity for members to perform in front of the cameras.

      Yes. Pathetic...on everyone's part.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        Federal prosecutors will almost certainly charge him at some point and congressional hearing would not really facilitate that process anyway.

        Assuming the hypothetical scenario where we had a functional Congress, the utility of hearings would be to help Congress determine what kinds of regulations might be necessary for crypto.

        In the world we actually live in, hearings are just an opportunity for members to perform in front of the cameras.

        MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #59

        @jon-nyc said in SBF/FTX:

        Federal prosecutors will almost certainly charge him at some point and congressional hearing would not really facilitate that process anyway.

        Assuming the hypothetical scenario where we had a functional Congress, the utility of hearings would be to help Congress determine what kinds of regulations might be necessary for crypto.

        In the world we actually live in, hearings are just an opportunity for members to perform in front of the cameras.

        Amen.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          jon-nyc
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          #60

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • AxtremusA Away
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            Axtremus
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            #61

            There were congressional hearings for Bernie Madoff, of course there will be congressional hearings for SBF/FTX.

            Not sure what regulatory changes resulted from the Madoff hearings though, if any. @jon-nyc?

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #62

              Mr. Wonderful

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                #63

                Similar to the Theranos investors. Part investment, part social climb. With both parts at risk.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #64

                  https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/12/ftx-founder-sam-bankman-fried-arrested-in-the-bahamas-after-us-files-criminal-charges.html

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #65

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #66

                      Taleb gettin’ it said.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #67

                        Jesus....

                        Thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1602395132569223168.html

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          kluurs
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                          @George-K said in SBF/FTX:

                          They must be proud. It takes exceptional talent to screw up this much.

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                          • LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
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                            #69

                            So this is a good time to buy, right?

                            The Brad

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                              RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
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                              #70

                              @George-K

                              Why should his parent’s pick up or even help with the legal fees? He is an adult, regardless whether or not he behaves like one.

                              He made his own bed and now he must sleep in it.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @George-K

                                Why should his parent’s pick up or even help with the legal fees? He is an adult, regardless whether or not he behaves like one.

                                He made his own bed and now he must sleep in it.

                                LuFins DadL Offline
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                                LuFins Dad
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                                #71

                                @Renauda said in SBF/FTX:

                                @George-K

                                Why should his parent’s pick up or even help with the legal fees? He is an adult, regardless whether or not he behaves like one.

                                He made his own bed and now he must sleep in it.

                                Maybe mom was laundering more than just his small clothes? Their money is his money and they are concerned about it being confiscated?

                                The Brad

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                                  #72

                                  Insofar as they’ve accepted any monetary gifts from him they’ll be subject to clawback suits. The dad hired his own attorney, according to the NYT.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    #73

                                    I would think that the best course of action is to just plead guilty and throw yourself on the mercy of the court? In this case are teams of high priced attorneys really going to make a difference?

                                    The Brad

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                                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                      Insofar as they’ve accepted any monetary gifts from him they’ll be subject to clawback suits. The dad hired his own attorney, according to the NYT.

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #74

                                      @jon-nyc said in SBF/FTX:

                                      Insofar as they’ve accepted any monetary gifts from him they’ll be subject to clawback suits. The dad hired his own attorney, according to the NYT.

                                      Makes sense.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #75

                                        Andy McCarthy: "I question the timing."

                                        I confess to being perplexed by the arrest of Sam Bankman-Fried on Monday night.

                                        I’m not perplexed by the fact of it — as Rich Lowry and I discussed in recent episodes of The McCarthy Report, when billions of dollars in investor funds go poof, the Justice Department routinely files charges, so it would be surprising if there were not an indictment in SBF’s case.

                                        The now-notorious SBF was slated to testify on Tuesday at a hearing of the House Financial Services Committee, with fireworks anticipated to result. It is highly unusual for a suspected fraudster who knows he is under investigation to make public statements explaining himself — especially when his very-prominent lawyer parents are presumably pleading with him to exercise his constitutional right not to help prosecutors build a case against him. Good defense lawyers advise even clients they believe are innocent to remain silent, at least until charges are filed and discovery begins. Having access to the charges and the Justice Department’s prosecutorial theory, along with information about what the witnesses and documents say, enables defense counsel to gauge the strength of the government’s case, and potentially trade testimony for leniency.

                                        Consequently, if you were a prosecutor from the Southern District of New York (SDNY), the U.S. attorney’s office that has filed the charges against SBF, you would be delighted that your defendant has been ignoring sound advice and making public statements for weeks. You would, moreover, have been salivating at the prospect of his being grilled under oath for hours by grandstanding Congresscritters.

                                        So why, on the eve of the House hearing, would the SDNY suddenly mobilize to arrest SBF, knowing this would inevitably abort his testimony? Plainly, there was no great rush to apprehend him. SBF has remained at liberty and talking very publicly in the month since the FTX collapse. Plus, if he were testifying before Congress, even by remote transmission, his whereabouts would be known, providing prosecutors an assurance that he was not poised to flee to a country from which it would be hard to extradite him. Why wouldn’t the Biden Justice Department wait a day or two, then, to give SDNY prosecutors the benefit of wide-ranging testimony that could be used against SBF — both in the criminal proceedings and in the SEC’s civil lawsuit, which like the indictment was made public Tuesday morning?

                                        One obvious possibility, for the cynical among us, is that the Democrats who run the House Committee (which is led by firebrand lefty Maxine Waters of California), were loath to abide Republican harangues about SBF’s prodigious political contributions to Dems, whose regulatory enthusiasm he echoed, making him the bane of his crypto competitors’ existence. SBF reportedly donated about $40 million to Democratic candidates and PACs, making him second only to George Soros in Democratic contributions in the just-concluded midterm cycle. The committee majority may not have relished giving Republicans a chance to spotlight the fact that prominent Democrats received lavish contributions from SBF of what now appears to be stolen money, while the investors who provided the money — and had no idea it was being donated to politicians — lost their shirts.

                                        If this were the reason for the sudden arrest, it would not be the first time the Democrats who run the Justice Department accommodated the whims of congressional Democrats. But is it the reason? There are reports that SBF, despite being a progressive darling until the recent contretemps, also donated heavily to Republicans — although he says he did it through “dark money” vehicles because these are less public and thus less apt to draw the ire of the media–Democrat complex. (The Guardian reports SBF’s elaboration on the claim that he gave more or less equally to both parties: “‘All my Republican donations were dark,’ he said, referring to political donations that are not publicly disclosed. ‘The reason was not for regulatory reasons, it’s because reporters freak the f*** out if you donate to Republicans. They’re all super liberal, and I didn’t want to have that fight.’” It has been reported that SBF’s associate Ryan Salame, an executive at FTX Capital Markets, donated about $23 million to Republicans and GOP PACs.)

                                        While we await an explanation for the timing of the arrest, there are some suggestions that SBF will try to fight extradition from the Bahamas. Perhaps he will, but it is unlikely he’ll be successful if he does. The Bahamian authorities have good relations with their American counterparts.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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