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"I can't afford to live, so kill me."

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    Why would benefits go down as medical bills will assuredly climb higher?

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    George K
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    #3

    @Jolly said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

    Why would benefits go down as medical bills will assuredly climb higher?

    Noticed that, did you?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      #4

      Why, it’s almost like they want them to take the MAID route.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        George K
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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Why would benefits go down as medical bills will assuredly climb higher?

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
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          #6

          @Jolly

          Why would benefits go down as medical bills will assuredly climb higher

          Because the oil and gas cash rich libertarian United Conservative Party Alberta government cut the AISH benefits to its disabled residents.

          BTW it is not likely that he will get the second signature - in fact, he has as much as admitted on the news here is that this has been a publicity stunt on his part.

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            #7

            That makes more sense.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Mik

              That makes more sense.

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              Doctor Phibes
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              #8

              So it’s not socialism but right wing nonsense that’s to blame!

              The Daily Fail isn’t going to like this at all.

              I was only joking

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              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                So it’s not socialism but right wing nonsense that’s to blame!

                The Daily Fail isn’t going to like this at all.

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                George K
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                #9

                @Doctor-Phibes said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                right wing nonsense

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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Doctor-Phibes said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                  right wing nonsense

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                  65422755-11516989-image-m-20_1670599920691.jpg

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  @George-K my point is that according to AC this is due to libertarian policies, not socialism.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @George-K my point is that according to AC this is due to libertarian policies, not socialism.

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                    George K
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                    #11

                    @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                    Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                    I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                    Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                      Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                      I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                      Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
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                      #12

                      @George-K

                      Right now in Alberta every government policy is a wink-wink policy.

                      But what would I know? Try living in Alberta right now.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                        Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                        I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                        Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #13

                        @George-K said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                        @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                        Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                        I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                        Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                        I don't know.

                        What I have noticed is that there have been a number of stories about euthanasia in Canada of late, and almost all of them are from conservative media, and all of them have been negative in tone, typically looking at individual cases that appear to be awful.

                        A cynic might suspect that there's an agenda at play.

                        I was only joking

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                          Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                          I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                          Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
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                          @George-K

                          Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                          There is a reason for that. It only became legally accessible throughout the country in 2016.

                          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada

                          As I wrote a few months back, I knew two former grad school cohorts who chose that path. One had suffered a debilitating stroke in 2014 and was left severely disabled. She learned to live with her physical condition but was diagnosed with metastatic uterine cancer in early January 2019. At the time she wrote “Just when I thought my life couldn’t get more fucked up, I now have metastatic cancer. This time I am cashing in and ending it on my terms”. In the end she passed away in her sleep after yet another stroke, three days before her scheduled MAID procedure in mid June. The other was a fellow who had not been feeling well for a few weeks and went to the doctor. The usual blood work ensued, specialists called in additional tests and procedures conducted and advanced stage cancer of virtually everything was determined. He chose not to undergo any oncological treatment and was not interested in going through the pain management regime that was offered. He instead chose to cash in and make application to MAID.

                          I really do not see why this is such an issue for others and, in particular, people who are not affected by Canadian law, when it is, in reality, a matter of personal choice. All the law does is affirm and facilitate the legality of medical professional involvement in a patient’s personal choice to die with what he or she believes is with some dignity and on their own personal terms.

                          Phibes’ comment a few weeks back once again rings true when he observed that when Americans talk about other countries’ health care systems they are actually talking about their own system.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            @George-K said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                            @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                            Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                            I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                            Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                            I don't know.

                            What I have noticed is that there have been a number of stories about euthanasia in Canada of late, and almost all of them are from conservative media, and all of them have been negative in tone, typically looking at individual cases that appear to be awful.

                            A cynic might suspect that there's an agenda at play.

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #15

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                            @George-K said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                            @Doctor-Phibes Yeah, I get that.

                            Regardless, the policy exists. Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                            I'm on the fence regarding the concept, but seeing stories like this, and the one about the denied stair lift make me question the culture and the implementation of the policy.

                            Are these "rogue" practitioners? Is there a "wink-wink" policy from above?

                            I don't know.

                            What I have noticed is that there have been a number of stories about euthanasia in Canada of late, and almost all of them are from conservative media, and all of them have been negative in tone, typically looking at individual cases that appear to be awful.

                            A cynic might suspect that there's an agenda at play.

                            +1

                            And they do the same with the health care systems of other countries.

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                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • George KG George K

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                                @George-K said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

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                                Cheap coffee everywhere…

                                The Brad

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  @George-K

                                  Euthanasia in Canada has risen ten-fold since 2016.

                                  There is a reason for that. It only became legally accessible throughout the country in 2016.

                                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada

                                  As I wrote a few months back, I knew two former grad school cohorts who chose that path. One had suffered a debilitating stroke in 2014 and was left severely disabled. She learned to live with her physical condition but was diagnosed with metastatic uterine cancer in early January 2019. At the time she wrote “Just when I thought my life couldn’t get more fucked up, I now have metastatic cancer. This time I am cashing in and ending it on my terms”. In the end she passed away in her sleep after yet another stroke, three days before her scheduled MAID procedure in mid June. The other was a fellow who had not been feeling well for a few weeks and went to the doctor. The usual blood work ensued, specialists called in additional tests and procedures conducted and advanced stage cancer of virtually everything was determined. He chose not to undergo any oncological treatment and was not interested in going through the pain management regime that was offered. He instead chose to cash in and make application to MAID.

                                  I really do not see why this is such an issue for others and, in particular, people who are not affected by Canadian law, when it is, in reality, a matter of personal choice. All the law does is affirm and facilitate the legality of medical professional involvement in a patient’s personal choice to die with what he or she believes is with some dignity and on their own personal terms.

                                  Phibes’ comment a few weeks back once again rings true when he observed that when Americans talk about other countries’ health care systems they are actually talking about their own system.

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                                  @Renauda said in "I can't afford to live, so kill me.":

                                  I really do not see why this is such an issue for others and, in particular, people who are not affected by Canadian law, when it is, in reality, a matter of personal choice. All the law does is affirm and facilitate the legality of medical professional involvement in a patient’s personal choice to die with what he or she believes is with some dignity and on their own personal terms.

                                  +1

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