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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #20

    You current internal hard drive still works fine, right?
    You just want to put an "exact copy" of the content of your internal hard drive in your new, external SSD, right?

    For that, a piece of software you can use is Carbon Copy Cloner.

    That lets you create "Bootable Backup" - meaning after you copy the whole internal drive over to your new SSD, it also makes it possible for you to boot up from that new SSD in the future.

    See this article: https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/best-practices-updating-your-macs-os
    Step-by-step instruction under the subheading "Make your bootable backup before upgrading"

    After Step 6 completes, Step 7 tells you how to set the computer to start-up from your new SSD, Step 8 is to check that you have indeed started up from your new SSD. If your intention is to have faster start-up by using your new SSD as the start-up drive going forward, then there is no need to go through Step 9 and Step 10.

    After Step 8, your new SSD will be your start-up drive.

    If you want to, you can retrace Steps 1-6 to have Carbon Copy Cloner "copy" from your (new SSD) start-up drive to another drive (that other drive can be your old/internal drive, or if you get another SSD that you plug into the other slot of the docking station, that other SSD can also be your backup drive).

    Good luck.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      You current internal hard drive still works fine, right?
      You just want to put an "exact copy" of the content of your internal hard drive in your new, external SSD, right?

      For that, a piece of software you can use is Carbon Copy Cloner.

      That lets you create "Bootable Backup" - meaning after you copy the whole internal drive over to your new SSD, it also makes it possible for you to boot up from that new SSD in the future.

      See this article: https://bombich.com/kb/ccc5/best-practices-updating-your-macs-os
      Step-by-step instruction under the subheading "Make your bootable backup before upgrading"

      After Step 6 completes, Step 7 tells you how to set the computer to start-up from your new SSD, Step 8 is to check that you have indeed started up from your new SSD. If your intention is to have faster start-up by using your new SSD as the start-up drive going forward, then there is no need to go through Step 9 and Step 10.

      After Step 8, your new SSD will be your start-up drive.

      If you want to, you can retrace Steps 1-6 to have Carbon Copy Cloner "copy" from your (new SSD) start-up drive to another drive (that other drive can be your old/internal drive, or if you get another SSD that you plug into the other slot of the docking station, that other SSD can also be your backup drive).

      Good luck.

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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #21

      @Axtremus good instructions. Much more comprehensive than my suggestions.

      I love CCC - it is one of my routine backup strategies.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        taiwan_girl
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        #22

        @Axtremus @George-K

        Thank you very much gentlemen!!!!! I will try it and let you know how it turns out.

        And Ax, yes, I am doing this for two reasons,

        mainly for faster startup and faster running applications
        extra space for appilications ((current HD is 500 and new one is 1TB).

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          taiwan_girl
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          #23

          Thank you so much @George-K and @Axtremus

          I received the docking station and external hard dive per your recommendations.

          Got them installed and transferred the material to the external hard drive.

          Wow - what a difference. My computer was very very very slow, especially when running applications such as MS Office, Auto Cad, Photoshop, etc (even things like iTunes, etc.). Starting up an applications took forever, and even working on them took forever. Changing a file or making a change to a file was an exercise in patience!!!

          Now, it is much much faster!! Almost like a new computer.

          Thanks again!!!!!

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            George K
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            #24

            Glad it worked out.

            Somewhere I read that the Mac needs at least 10% of the hard drive space free to do its housekeeping.

            Also the more RAM you have, the better - you'll get better performance by increasing RAM.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              xenon
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              #25

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                George K
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                #26

                Rumors are that the next iteration of the iMac will not have traditional spinning-platter hard drives, but everything will be SSD.

                That'll be interesting for those of us that have tons and tons of photos, music, etc on their internal hard drives.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  Rumors are that the next iteration of the iMac will not have traditional spinning-platter hard drives, but everything will be SSD.

                  That'll be interesting for those of us that have tons and tons of photos, music, etc on their internal hard drives.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #27

                  @George-K said in Calling George (or other Mac people here):

                  That'll be interesting for those of us that have tons and tons of photos, music, etc on their internal hard drives.

                  Just buy one with a higher capacity built-in SSD. Already you can configure a 4TB SSD for a MacBook Pro, so a 4TB SSD for an iMac shouldn’t be a too challenging technically.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Rumors are that the next iteration of the iMac will not have traditional spinning-platter hard drives, but everything will be SSD.

                    That'll be interesting for those of us that have tons and tons of photos, music, etc on their internal hard drives.

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                    xenon
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                    #28

                    @George-K I haven’t dealt with a HDD in years now on both my work and home computes (including MacBooks).

                    I couldn’t imagine using an hdd now.

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                      #29

                      There’s a lot of data that doesn’t benefit much from SSDs, such as movies. The same holds for data that changes very frequently. It makes a lot of sense to have a cheap HDD in addition to SSD.

                      Apple used to sell “hybrid” drives, which also retry to combine the advantages of both. I’m not sure why they’ve given up on them.

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                      • KlausK Klaus

                        There’s a lot of data that doesn’t benefit much from SSDs, such as movies. The same holds for data that changes very frequently. It makes a lot of sense to have a cheap HDD in addition to SSD.

                        Apple used to sell “hybrid” drives, which also retry to combine the advantages of both. I’m not sure why they’ve given up on them.

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                        xenon
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                        #30

                        @Klaus the price of NAND keeps going down.

                        At some point the economics on a per byte basis will probably be in the favor of SSDs.

                        Or rather, for the consumer market - the price differential becomes negligible.

                        (There’s still a big gap for enterprise applications because of the volumes required).

                        With Apple’s juicy margins - it’s probably easier to just kick out hdd’s altogether.

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                          Klaus
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                          #31

                          Well, let's say you want 8TB of persistent memory.

                          An 8TB HDD costs something like 250$.

                          If you configure a Mac Pro with 8TB of SSD, they want $3000 or so more for it.

                          It's a significant difference.

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                          • KlausK Klaus

                            Well, let's say you want 8TB of persistent memory.

                            An 8TB HDD costs something like 250$.

                            If you configure a Mac Pro with 8TB of SSD, they want $3000 or so more for it.

                            It's a significant difference.

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                            George K
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                            @Klaus said in Calling George (or other Mac people here):

                            If you configure a Mac Pro with 8TB of SSD, they want $3000 or so more for it.

                            A 27" iMac, upgraded from the standard 2TB fusion drive to a 2TB SSD will be $700 more (although a bare 2TB SSD is, of course cheaper). I wonder if the new iMacs will have something bigger than 2TB available.

                            @Axtremus said in Calling George (or other Mac people here):

                            Just buy one with a higher capacity built-in SSD. Already you can configure a 4TB SSD for a MacBook Pro, so a 4TB SSD for an iMac shouldn’t be a too challenging technically.

                            Er, no.

                            Link to video

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Axtremus
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                              #33

                              I meant to say that it's wouldn't be technically challenging for Apple to mass produce an iMac with built-in 4 TB SSD. I was not commenting on retrofitting old iMacs with 4 TB drive.

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                                xenon
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                                Holy moly those storage prices are high! Apple does flex it's pricing power on storage very aggressively.

                                iPhone is a fantastic example. The iPhone 11 pro is $999 for 64Gb base model, but $1150 for the next model up (256Gb).

                                They know that 128Gb is the sweet spot for most people - but unlike any other equipment maker can flex their power to completely nix that tier.

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