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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    51-49 Senate.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • bachophileB Offline
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      #2

      not 51-49?

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        Yes of course. Sorry. Edited.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Hoo-ray for your side. Walker got whupped in Fulton County and the surrounding metro area.

          That was the election.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            In terms of Louisiana politics, one of the most earth-shaking events was Katrina.

            Yes, we lost residents of New Orleans to Houston, Atlanta and points in-between, but a lot of New Orleanians dispersed throughout the state. That negated the New Orleans bloc vote. The political landscape afterwards was interesting.

            The urban bloc vote is something that happens in many states, Georgia just being the latest example.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              #6

              Now what to do about that rural bloc vote….

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Another Trump endorsee beaten.

                When is the GOP leadership going to grow a pair?

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Offline
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                  What I think is hilarious is all the opining about how Manchin and Sinema have lost a lot of power. They seem to forget the GOP has the house. Anything too far out is DOA.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    What I think is hilarious is all the opining about how Manchin and Sinema have lost a lot of power. They seem to forget the GOP has the house. Anything too far out is DOA.

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                    @Mik Yeah - its relevant for confirmations, but not legislation. I personally know of only one confirmation that was given the kibosh by one of those two. So yeah, totally overrated.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                      Had there been a 51st vote, the “carried interest” loop hole would have been closed when Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act earlier this year.

                      But yeah, for most bigger things, the 51st vote likely won’t make much of a difference.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @Mik Yeah - its relevant for confirmations, but not legislation. I personally know of only one confirmation that was given the kibosh by one of those two. So yeah, totally overrated.

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                        George K
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                        @jon-nyc said in Victory Warnock:

                        @Mik Yeah - its relevant for confirmations, but not legislation.

                        And committee chairmanships. My understanding is that, with a divided senate, those responsibilities were shared.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          LuFins Dad
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                          It moves Filibuster reform to one vote. Do you think Sinema will hold firm on her position?

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                              @kluurs said in Victory Warnock:

                              Friend sent this one... 6acec3e1-746b-477c-a546-6b37817aca49-image.png

                              When he responds to comments on Twitter, he better watch his pronouns. It's illegal not to up there.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                    Had there been a 51st vote, the “carried interest” loop hole would have been closed when Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act earlier this year.

                                    But yeah, for most bigger things, the 51st vote likely won’t make much of a difference.

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                                    #17

                                    @Axtremus said in Victory Warnock:

                                    Had there been a 51st vote, the “carried interest” loop hole would have been closed when Congress passed the Inflation Reduction Act earlier this year.

                                    But yeah, for most bigger things, the 51st vote likely won’t make much of a difference.

                                    Right but that’s when the house was on board. You can't pass legislation starting Jan 3 unless it’s bipartisan.

                                    But the senate alone does confirmations, so there it matters.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      NRO: The case against run-off elections

                                      Two states, Georgia and Louisiana, use what political scientists call a two-round system in general elections. Under the system, if no candidate receives over half the votes cast in the first round, the election proceeds to a second round in which only the top two candidates from the first round are on the ballot. Proponents of this system extol its majoritarian virtues, highlighting the way it ensures that the victor’s win is legitimated by the support of an absolute majority of voters.

                                      Why did only Georgia and Louisiana adopt this system? Well, given these two states’ segregationist past, it should come as a surprise to no one that this originally was done to dilute the black vote, by requiring the winning candidate to receive a majority in a multi-candidate race in a place where African Americans are a minority of the voters. Of course, an institution’s racist origins aren’t necessarily an indictment of its modern-day legitimacy if it no longer exists to disenfranchise black people. But history aside, the two-round system is bad on the merits.

                                      For starters, the absolute majority that the runoff system yields is artificial. Ranked-choice-voting systems produce a victor with an absolute majority that reflects the entirety of the candidate field in much less time and at a lower cost. That’s not to say that ranked-choice is perfect. It has its fair share of problems, but it’s superior to the two-round system.

                                      The runoff system also carries its own set of assumptions. Why is a candidate’s election through a runoff inherently more legitimate than a win through plurality-voting systems such as first-past-the-post? A candidate who beats out all the other candidates in a field is worthy of elected office, irrespective of whether he made it past an arbitrary threshold. Proponents of runoffs have failed to explain why 50 percent is the magic number that engenders legitimacy. Who’s to say it’s not 66 percent, 75 percent, or 100 percent, for that matter?

                                      And perhaps most dubiously, supporters of runoff systems rest on the assumption that elected officials must always be the choice of a majority of voters. Why is that the case? This mobocratic approach to politics is precisely what Edmund Burke and the Framers of the Constitution rejected. Majority support isn’t the only path to political legitimacy. Nothing improper occurs if a candidate gets elected through a simple plurality. This is just democracy at work.

                                      First-past-the-post is easier for a politically unengaged electorate to understand and can be processed more seamlessly than preferential-voting systems, good qualities to have at a time when the counting of ballots has become politicized. Republicans control Georgia’s state government and have already made other positive changes to the electoral system. Why not ditch this racist rel

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        Not me.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          NRO: The case against run-off elections

                                          Two states, Georgia and Louisiana, use what political scientists call a two-round system in general elections. Under the system, if no candidate receives over half the votes cast in the first round, the election proceeds to a second round in which only the top two candidates from the first round are on the ballot. Proponents of this system extol its majoritarian virtues, highlighting the way it ensures that the victor’s win is legitimated by the support of an absolute majority of voters.

                                          Why did only Georgia and Louisiana adopt this system? Well, given these two states’ segregationist past, it should come as a surprise to no one that this originally was done to dilute the black vote, by requiring the winning candidate to receive a majority in a multi-candidate race in a place where African Americans are a minority of the voters. Of course, an institution’s racist origins aren’t necessarily an indictment of its modern-day legitimacy if it no longer exists to disenfranchise black people. But history aside, the two-round system is bad on the merits.

                                          For starters, the absolute majority that the runoff system yields is artificial. Ranked-choice-voting systems produce a victor with an absolute majority that reflects the entirety of the candidate field in much less time and at a lower cost. That’s not to say that ranked-choice is perfect. It has its fair share of problems, but it’s superior to the two-round system.

                                          The runoff system also carries its own set of assumptions. Why is a candidate’s election through a runoff inherently more legitimate than a win through plurality-voting systems such as first-past-the-post? A candidate who beats out all the other candidates in a field is worthy of elected office, irrespective of whether he made it past an arbitrary threshold. Proponents of runoffs have failed to explain why 50 percent is the magic number that engenders legitimacy. Who’s to say it’s not 66 percent, 75 percent, or 100 percent, for that matter?

                                          And perhaps most dubiously, supporters of runoff systems rest on the assumption that elected officials must always be the choice of a majority of voters. Why is that the case? This mobocratic approach to politics is precisely what Edmund Burke and the Framers of the Constitution rejected. Majority support isn’t the only path to political legitimacy. Nothing improper occurs if a candidate gets elected through a simple plurality. This is just democracy at work.

                                          First-past-the-post is easier for a politically unengaged electorate to understand and can be processed more seamlessly than preferential-voting systems, good qualities to have at a time when the counting of ballots has become politicized. Republicans control Georgia’s state government and have already made other positive changes to the electoral system. Why not ditch this racist rel

                                          JollyJ Offline
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                                          Jolly
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                                          @George-K said in Victory Warnock:

                                          NRO: The case against run-off elections

                                          Two states, Georgia and Louisiana, use what political scientists call a two-round system in general elections. Under the system, if no candidate receives over half the votes cast in the first round, the election proceeds to a second round in which only the top two candidates from the first round are on the ballot. Proponents of this system extol its majoritarian virtues, highlighting the way it ensures that the victor’s win is legitimated by the support of an absolute majority of voters.

                                          Why did only Georgia and Louisiana adopt this system? Well, given these two states’ segregationist past, it should come as a surprise to no one that this originally was done to dilute the black vote, by requiring the winning candidate to receive a majority in a multi-candidate race in a place where African Americans are a minority of the voters. Of course, an institution’s racist origins aren’t necessarily an indictment of its modern-day legitimacy if it no longer exists to disenfranchise black people. But history aside, the two-round system is bad on the merits.

                                          For starters, the absolute majority that the runoff system yields is artificial. Ranked-choice-voting systems produce a victor with an absolute majority that reflects the entirety of the candidate field in much less time and at a lower cost. That’s not to say that ranked-choice is perfect. It has its fair share of problems, but it’s superior to the two-round system.

                                          The runoff system also carries its own set of assumptions. Why is a candidate’s election through a runoff inherently more legitimate than a win through plurality-voting systems such as first-past-the-post? A candidate who beats out all the other candidates in a field is worthy of elected office, irrespective of whether he made it past an arbitrary threshold. Proponents of runoffs have failed to explain why 50 percent is the magic number that engenders legitimacy. Who’s to say it’s not 66 percent, 75 percent, or 100 percent, for that matter?

                                          And perhaps most dubiously, supporters of runoff systems rest on the assumption that elected officials must always be the choice of a majority of voters. Why is that the case? This mobocratic approach to politics is precisely what Edmund Burke and the Framers of the Constitution rejected. Majority support isn’t the only path to political legitimacy. Nothing improper occurs if a candidate gets elected through a simple plurality. This is just democracy at work.

                                          First-past-the-post is easier for a politically unengaged electorate to understand and can be processed more seamlessly than preferential-voting systems, good qualities to have at a time when the counting of ballots has become politicized. Republicans control Georgia’s state government and have already made other positive changes to the electoral system. Why not ditch this racist rel

                                          They're incorrect. Blacks represent a large percentage of Louisiana voters. They can, and do, swing elections by bloc voting. Their political power is not diluted.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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