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Taibbi - The Twitter Files, Part 1

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    I think you’re also misunderstanding the first amendment. The government can make all the moderation requests it wants. It’s only some kind of enforcement that would be unconstitutional.

    Also (not directed at you Horace), I see some RW commentators salivating at the prospect of someone going to jail for violating first amendment rights. Even putting aside the fact that no such first amendment violations occurred, if the government does violate your first amendment rights you take the government to federal (civil) court. It isn’t the case that government functionaries get arrested.

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    @jon-nyc said in Taibbi - The Twitter Files, Part 1:

    I think you’re also misunderstanding the first amendment. The government can make all the moderation requests it wants. It’s only some kind of enforcement that would be unconstitutional.

    Again a loophole that has obvious ethical hazards. Nobody is so naive to think the request is not transactional in some way. And if it's in any way transactional, it should not be happening.

    Education is extremely important.

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      @jon-nyc said in Taibbi - The Twitter Files, Part 1:

      I think you’re also misunderstanding the first amendment. The government can make all the moderation requests it wants. It’s only some kind of enforcement that would be unconstitutional.

      Again a loophole that has obvious ethical hazards. Nobody is so naive to think the request is not transactional in some way. And if it's in any way transactional, it should not be happening.

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      @Horace

      I doubt it was perceived that way at all. Most of the ‘trust and safety’ (sic) team were fellow travelers and didn’t need much convincing.

      Also from the emails Taibbi released it looks like there was discussion and, at the margin, disagreement about what to delete and not. They don’t seem to be behaving as if they’re taking orders.

      Only non-witches get due process.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @Horace

        I doubt it was perceived that way at all. Most of the ‘trust and safety’ (sic) team were fellow travelers and didn’t need much convincing.

        Also from the emails Taibbi released it looks like there was discussion and, at the margin, disagreement about what to delete and not. They don’t seem to be behaving as if they’re taking orders.

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        @jon-nyc said in Taibbi - The Twitter Files, Part 1:

        @Horace

        I doubt it was perceived that way at all. Most of the ‘trust and safety’ (sic) team were fellow travelers and didn’t need much convincing.

        Also from the emails Taibbi released it looks like there was discussion and, at the margin, disagreement about what to delete and not. They don’t seem to be behaving as if they’re taking orders.

        Zoom out to the level of the social value of the friends one makes and does favors for, and it becomes transactional by definition. In any case the appearance of impropriety and the ease with which real impropriety could be plausibly denied makes such a situation fraught with hazards. Hazards which, were the shoe on the other foot and the Trust and Safety team were Trumpists in 2019, would be considered existential to the democracy.

        Education is extremely important.

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          According to The Resident, anyway.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            George K
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            #49

            "We never got a request from the Biden team about the NY Post articles"

            https://www.fec.gov/files/legal/murs/7827/7827_08.pdf

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              #50

              George, seems like the guy you’re quoting misread that.

              The tweet he quotes does not contradict what Twitter told the FEC.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                George, seems like the guy you’re quoting misread that.

                The tweet he quotes does not contradict what Twitter told the FEC.

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                @jon-nyc yes. I was unclear.

                What the FEC statement says that they didn't receive requests from the Biden campaign about the the NY Post articles.

                But, the the emails show is that the Biden campaign DID interact with Twitter regarding other issues that they found problematic.

                Though the two statements are not the same, they are not necessarily contradictory.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  #52

                  One imagines that if Taibbi finds a request to suppress the laptop story from Team Biden he will happily release it.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                    I suspect that hot potato was a phone call.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      George K
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        I can understand the perspective that Taibbi's read of the document dump does not warrant a wikipedia entry currently.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          There’s a long entry on the Hunter Biden laptop controversy. Maybe it should be a paragraph or two in there.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1600243405841666048.html

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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