Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop
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@George-K said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
I don’t know how you’d even make sense of that. Was it partisan push polling like Jolly posted the other day?
Yeah, it's the MRC. They polled 1000 Democrats.
According to our poll, full awareness of the Hunter Biden scandal would have led 9.4% of Biden voters to abandon the Democratic candidate, flipping all six of the swing states he won to Trump, giving the President 311 electoral votes.
To a person like Jon and millions of other TDS sufferers, that means the Twitter ban was part of a grassroots effort to avoid an existential threat - an effort that worked. Good luck convincing them it was wrong. That's the magic of the existential threat meme. It's never wrong to do what you need to do, to avoid it. Note that they do not allow the opposite tribe to feel that same motivation about anything, ever. The existential threat avoidance motivation is available only to those with perfectly calibrated existentialometers. That means TDS sufferers.
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@George-K
You changed the subject along the way from the Hunter's laptop story to the NY Post's account. This thread is about the laptop story, which was banned for 30hrs or so.wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 21:35 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@George-K
You changed the subject along the way from the Hunter's laptop story to the NY Post's account. This thread is about the laptop story, which was banned for 30hrs or so.No. If anyone changed the story, it was you. The NY Post broke the story, and posted it. They were suspended for two weeks.
Unless you're talking about some other ban of which I am not aware.
Or, unless you're talking about CBS, in which case the (shadow) ban lasted more than two years.
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I'd like to respectfully ask you to please stop telling me what I think or why I think it. It is becoming rather insufferable.
Feel free to argue with me about ideas, events, public figures, etc.
Thanks.
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 21:41 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
I'd like to respectfully ask you to please stop telling me what I think or why I think it. It is becoming rather insufferable.
Feel free to argue with me about ideas, events, public figures, etc.
Thanks.
I understand why you don't see this, but every time you tell people they are blinkered by their tribalism, which you do all the time to many people here, you are telling them why they think what they think. Do not ask of others what you are unwilling or incapable of doing yourself.
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
I'd like to respectfully ask you to please stop telling me what I think or why I think it. It is becoming rather insufferable.
Feel free to argue with me about ideas, events, public figures, etc.
Thanks.
I understand why you don't see this, but every time you tell people they are blinkered by their tribalism, which you do all the time to many people here, you are telling them why they think what they think. Do not ask of others what you are unwilling or incapable of doing yourself.
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 21:52 last edited by@Horace said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
I'd like to respectfully ask you to please stop telling me what I think or why I think it. It is becoming rather insufferable.
Feel free to argue with me about ideas, events, public figures, etc.
Thanks.
I understand why you don't see this, but every time you tell people they are blinkered by their tribalism, which you do all the time to many people here, you are telling them why they think what they think. Do not ask of others what you are unwilling or incapable of doing yourself.
Thanks for the clarification. Proceed then.
But maybe a better job of it then?
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@Horace said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
I'd like to respectfully ask you to please stop telling me what I think or why I think it. It is becoming rather insufferable.
Feel free to argue with me about ideas, events, public figures, etc.
Thanks.
I understand why you don't see this, but every time you tell people they are blinkered by their tribalism, which you do all the time to many people here, you are telling them why they think what they think. Do not ask of others what you are unwilling or incapable of doing yourself.
Thanks for the clarification. Proceed then.
But maybe a better job of it then?
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 21:55 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@Horace said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
I'd like to respectfully ask you to please stop telling me what I think or why I think it. It is becoming rather insufferable.
Feel free to argue with me about ideas, events, public figures, etc.
Thanks.
I understand why you don't see this, but every time you tell people they are blinkered by their tribalism, which you do all the time to many people here, you are telling them why they think what they think. Do not ask of others what you are unwilling or incapable of doing yourself.
Thanks for the clarification. Proceed then.
But maybe a better job of it then?
My experience with pinning you down on things you literally say and then won't own a post or two later, indicates you have a limitless ability to deny truth about what you think. I do not consider you to be a credible reporter of why you think what you think. Nor even of what you think, when you are in the middle of a discussion.
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@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
@George-K
You changed the subject along the way from the Hunter's laptop story to the NY Post's account. This thread is about the laptop story, which was banned for 30hrs or so.No. If anyone changed the story, it was you. The NY Post broke the story, and posted it. They were suspended for two weeks.
Unless you're talking about some other ban of which I am not aware.
Or, unless you're talking about CBS, in which case the (shadow) ban lasted more than two years.
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 21:59 last edited by jon-nyc 12 May 2022, 22:03@George-K said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
Unless you're talking about some other ban of which I am not aware.
Didn’t you post a thread about it?
The Taibbi thread and the resultant press coverage is about suppressing a story, not an account.
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@George-K said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
Unless you're talking about some other ban of which I am not aware.
Didn’t you post a thread about it?
The Taibbi thread and the resultant press coverage is about suppressing a story, not an account.
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 22:07 last edited by George K 12 May 2022, 22:07@jon-nyc said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
The Taibbi thread and the press coverage is about suppressing a story, not an account.
A distinction without a difference. It's about suppressing an account which TRIED TO POST THE STORY.
Sorry, but I really don't understand your point.
NY Post gets info on laptop.
Publishes story on Twitter
Twitter says, "disinformation, hacked, dangerous" on Oct 14 and suspends NY Post account
14 days elapse.Who else posted about the laptop on Twitter? Who else even SAW it because the Post was suspended? One naturally flows from the other.
You're painting this as though Twitter said, "Oopsies! Our bad." And yet, for two weeks did not allow the source of the story to post about it.
Am I conflating the two? Damn right I am, because it's the same story.
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wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 22:19 last edited by jon-nyc 12 May 2022, 22:21
Substantially all of the commentary is and has been about the suppression of the story, and the supposed effect on the election that had, etc. Every right wing outlet seized on it like a lifeline at the time, and after a mere 36 hours they could and did post about it. If there was more news to share, I doubt Giuliani sat on it because the post couldn’t get it on Twitter. In fact if the post printed new info, every other right wing account could read it and share the information, and even the article.
Remember I started this thread to talk about how little the impact of twitter’s suppression of the story ultimately had with voters.
I still believe that:
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the 36 hour suppression gave the story more legs, not less, as it made ot look like "the man" had something to hide
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the decision of the MSM (ex-Fox) to not it seriously mattered far far more than twitter's suppresion.
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Substantially all of the commentary is and has been about the suppression of the story, and the supposed effect on the election that had, etc. Every right wing outlet seized on it like a lifeline at the time, and after a mere 36 hours they could and did post about it. If there was more news to share, I doubt Giuliani sat on it because the post couldn’t get it on Twitter. In fact if the post printed new info, every other right wing account could read it and share the information, and even the article.
Remember I started this thread to talk about how little the impact of twitter’s suppression of the story ultimately had with voters.
I still believe that:
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the 36 hour suppression gave the story more legs, not less, as it made ot look like "the man" had something to hide
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the decision of the MSM (ex-Fox) to not it seriously mattered far far more than twitter's suppresion.
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 22:24 last edited byAnd I will add one other point:
Though the MSM (ex-Fox) and Democrats generally had motivation to discount the story, the provenance, timing, and chain-of-custody issues were enough for anyone to be highly skeptical about it. To take that story at face value on 10/14/2020 you really had to want it to be true.
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The problem is that the majority of the Dem voters had already voted before the story even came out on October 14th… And the remainder of the Dem voters voted on November 4th, when the laptop story was no longer relevant…
wrote on 5 Dec 2022, 23:36 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop:
The problem is that the majority of the Dem voters had already voted before the story even came out on October 14th… And the remainder of the Dem voters voted on November 4th, when the laptop story was no longer relevant…
Dems have done a good job with early voting, especially with help from a willing media.
Here's the playbook...
- Discover and farm a new voting segment. Dems have identified and cultivated the Couch Potato Voter. The majority are too damn lazy to actually go to the polls and vote, but they tend to like their entitlements and the friendly neighborhood ballot harvester will make sure they vote the right (Left) way.
- Make sure the Couch Potatoes vote early and stay after your regular voters to mail-in vote as early as possible. Have a favorable media suppress or deny bad press on the Dem candidate, at least until after election day. Or at least after most of the early mail vote is in.
- Unleash every piece of dirt you have on your opponent about ten days before the election. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. You just want to rile up the base. And suppress the GOP voters, who normally have much heavier turnout on election day.