Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?
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One can easily dunk on the absurd notion that Carlson is a Putin fanboy, but at some point one learns the futility of any attempt to de-tribalize pop cultural lefties.
“Useful idiot” is probably the better phrase, in that it’s impervious to tribal righties that will defend him regardless of what the video evidence says.
"You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
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“Useful idiot” is probably the better phrase, in that it’s impervious to tribal righties that will defend him regardless of what the video evidence says.
@jon-nyc said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
“Useful idiot” is probably the better phrase, in that it’s impervious to tribal righties that will defend him regardless of what the video evidence says.
I'm willing to defend him against absurd marginalizations from tribal lefties comfortable with their giggles at the out group. Not everything he is accused of is inaccurate though and I've done my share of agreeing when he has been accused of going off the rails.
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“Useful idiot” is probably the better phrase, in that it’s impervious to tribal righties that will defend him regardless of what the video evidence says.
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Tucker is not Pro-Russia, he's an America First kind of guy.
There's a difference. Watch him a bit more and you'll notice.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Tucker is not Pro-Russia, he's an America First kind of guy.
There's a difference. Watch him a bit more and you'll notice.
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@Jolly said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
Tucker is not Pro-Russia, he's an America First kind of guy.
Not unlike Charles Lindbergh and other notable members of the America First Committee in their day.
@Renauda said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
@Jolly said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
Tucker is not Pro-Russia, he's an America First kind of guy.
Not unlike Charles Lindbergh and other notable members of the America First Committee in their day.
Some similarities, yes.
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In the Boston Sunday Globe of November 10, 1940, Ambassador Joe Kennedy shared his opinion: “Democracy is finished in England. It may be here.”
If We Get In, Democracy Ends
“People call me a pessimist. I say, 'What is there to be gay about? Democracy is all done.’”
“You mean in England or this country, too?”
“Well, I don’t know. If we get into war it will be in this country, too. A bureaucracy would take over right off. Everything we hold dear would be gone. They tell me that after 1918 we got it all back again. But this is different. There’s a different patter in the world.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/kennedys-democracy-finished/
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Yep. Both were Useful Idiots, the original America First crowd for Hitler, today’s for Putin and perhaps Xi.
@jon-nyc said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
Yep. Both were Useful Idiots, the original America First crowd for Hitler, today’s for Putin and perhaps Xi.
Go educate yourself.
As late as early 1941, 85% of Americans agreed with a central belief of the America First movement - namely, that Amercans have no business in foreign wars. And AF was not a group of ultra nationalists, but rather a bunch of folks from all political backgrounds that agreed with nonintervention.
Remember, at that time we were only one generation removed from the horrors of The Great War. Over 116,000 Americans dead. Also, people remembered what Washington had said about foreign entanglements.
I support supplying arms to Ukraine. I do worry about weapons stockpiles and readiness...It has long been the goal of the U.S. to be able to fight in two theaters at the same time, if necessary.
But America First is a strategic position. You can disagree, but the ridicule says a lot more about you than it does Tucker. I think it would behoove you to make a better argument against his position.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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In the early days of Hitler, there was more than one American citizen that admired the job he did, pulling Germany out of a bad depression. The Weimar Republic died, as Hitler consolidated his power and started to go outside of its constitution.
I suspect by the time Hitler invaded Poland, most Americans had ceased to admire him and probably thought he should be stopped, but stopped using European soldiers, not American soldiers.
An interesting thought exercise revolves around America's entry into WW2...What if Hitler had not declared war on the U.S.? Would the U.S. have declared war on Germany?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
Yep. Both were Useful Idiots, the original America First crowd for Hitler, today’s for Putin and perhaps Xi.
Go educate yourself.
As late as early 1941, 85% of Americans agreed with a central belief of the America First movement - namely, that Amercans have no business in foreign wars. And AF was not a group of ultra nationalists, but rather a bunch of folks from all political backgrounds that agreed with nonintervention.
Remember, at that time we were only one generation removed from the horrors of The Great War. Over 116,000 Americans dead. Also, people remembered what Washington had said about foreign entanglements.
I support supplying arms to Ukraine. I do worry about weapons stockpiles and readiness...It has long been the goal of the U.S. to be able to fight in two theaters at the same time, if necessary.
But America First is a strategic position. You can disagree, but the ridicule says a lot more about you than it does Tucker. I think it would behoove you to make a better argument against his position.
@Jolly said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
@jon-nyc said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
Yep. Both were Useful Idiots, the original America First crowd for Hitler, today’s for Putin and perhaps Xi.
Go educate yourself.
As late as early 1941, 85% of Americans agreed with a central belief of the America First movement - namely, that Amercans have no business in foreign wars. And AF was not a group of ultra nationalists, but rather a bunch of folks from all political backgrounds that agreed with nonintervention.
Remember, at that time we were only one generation removed from the horrors of The Great War. Over 116,000 Americans dead. Also, people remembered what Washington had said about foreign entanglements.
I support supplying arms to Ukraine. I do worry about weapons stockpiles and readiness...It has long been the goal of the U.S. to be able to fight in two theaters at the same time, if necessary.
But America First is a strategic position. You can disagree, but the ridicule says a lot more about you than it does Tucker. I think it would behoove you to make a better argument against his position.
To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, getting it completely fucking wrong once may be regarded as misfortune. To do so twice seems like carelessness.
If you want to be a world power, isolationism isn't going to cut it.
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Reconstitute the British Empire and police the world, mate.
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@Jolly said in Are they angling for an appearance in Tucker?:
Reconstitute the British Empire and police the world, mate.
We've had our 15 minutes. It's your turn.
Do you honestly think that isolation is a good idea?
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In the early days of Hitler, there was more than one American citizen that admired the job he did, pulling Germany out of a bad depression. The Weimar Republic died, as Hitler consolidated his power and started to go outside of its constitution.
I suspect by the time Hitler invaded Poland, most Americans had ceased to admire him and probably thought he should be stopped, but stopped using European soldiers, not American soldiers.
An interesting thought exercise revolves around America's entry into WW2...What if Hitler had not declared war on the U.S.? Would the U.S. have declared war on Germany?
I suspect by the time Hitler invaded Poland, most Americans had ceased to admire him and probably thought he should be stopped, but stopped using European soldiers, not American soldiers.
That is correct. Two realities of Nazism caused people to change their minds. First was the brutality of Nazism with regard to its persecution of Jews and other minorities under its control. The second was that Nazi involvement in the Spanish Civil War and its annexation of Czechoslovakia drove home the reality that Hitler was first and foremost a warlord tyrant.
An interesting thought exercise revolves around America's entry into WW2...What if Hitler had not declared war on the U.S.? Would the U.S. have declared war on Germany?
I suspect the US would not have until late 1942 or ‘43. FDR would have preferred focusing its resources on Lend Lease support to Britain and the USSR. The Nazis however would have eventually drawn the US into the European theatre through its U-boat attacks on US shipping.
An interesting read published in 2020, is Sean McKeen’s, Stalin’s War. Well researched and written. Among other hypotheses McKeen makes, he argues compellingly that FDR, through Harry Hopkins, was determined to provide as much Lend Lease as possible to the USSR to bring about the defeat of Hitler in Europe then involve itself directly in defeating Japan in China. Worth the read even if only for some of its revisionist historiography and examination of Harry Hopkin’s duplicity in diverting Lend Lease support away from Britain to The USSR.
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