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How English has evolved

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  • MikM Away
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    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • taiwan_girlT Online
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      Quite interesting. That is why it very close to impossible to ensure that the modern Bible is accurate to the original one.

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      • MikM Away
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        Disagree. There has been an enormous amount of time spent on the evolution of biblical language and the original texts. They came from languages that were widely used and pretty well understood.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/

          I’m about 50 episodes in

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          • MikM Mik

            Disagree. There has been an enormous amount of time spent on the evolution of biblical language and the original texts. They came from languages that were widely used and pretty well understood.

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            @Mik You started me down a internet search LOL

            Here is an interesting article that says what you are saying

            https://www.str.org/w/-misquoting-jesus-answering-bart-ehrman

            But of course, there is always an opposite side, like this Bible scholar

            https://ehrmanblog.org/misquoting-misquoting-jesus/

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              @Mik You started me down a internet search LOL

              Here is an interesting article that says what you are saying

              https://www.str.org/w/-misquoting-jesus-answering-bart-ehrman

              But of course, there is always an opposite side, like this Bible scholar

              https://ehrmanblog.org/misquoting-misquoting-jesus/

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              @taiwan_girl Bart Erhman is a most interesting guy. I've listened to several of his courses and read a couple of his books.

              The fact that an atheist is the head of religious studies at a university is...interesting.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                @taiwan_girl Bart Erhman is a most interesting guy. I've listened to several of his courses and read a couple of his books.

                The fact that an atheist is the head of religious studies at a university is...interesting.

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                @George-K said in How English has evolved:

                The fact that an atheist is the head of religious studies at a university is...interesting.

                Depends on what kind atheist is he. If somebody is religious it’s also going to be difficult to be objective about religions other than their own.

                I was only joking

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                  @George-K said in How English has evolved:

                  The fact that an atheist is the head of religious studies at a university is...interesting.

                  Depends on what kind atheist is he. If somebody is religious it’s also going to be difficult to be objective about religions other than their own.

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                  @Doctor-Phibes said in How English has evolved:

                  Depends on what kind atheist is he.

                  I assume you mean the kind of atheism which absolutely denies the existence of God?

                  https://ehrmanblog.org/on-being-an-agnostic-or-atheist/

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in How English has evolved:

                    Depends on what kind atheist is he.

                    I assume you mean the kind of atheism which absolutely denies the existence of God?

                    https://ehrmanblog.org/on-being-an-agnostic-or-atheist/

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                    @George-K said in How English has evolved:

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in How English has evolved:

                    Depends on what kind atheist is he.

                    I assume you mean the kind of atheism which absolutely denies the existence of God?

                    https://ehrmanblog.org/on-being-an-agnostic-or-atheist/

                    No, I meant there's two kinds of atheist - the ones who simply don't believe in God, and the ones who are very anti-religion. I'm guessing he's the first type.

                    I was only joking

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                      i certainly dont think an academic religious studies program implies the faculty is religious or in anyway doctrinal. I would expect that at an institution training clergy for ordination, where there is certainly overlap with academic religious studies, but not at secular Universities. A case in point may also be Harvard Divinity School which I think started out as a theological seminary but over the years has transformed into a non denominational center for academic studies.

                      Be that as it may....ive also read misquoting Jesus. Although as of late my biblical interests have been more "returning to my roots" and old testament academics...and in that field i can say safely, that you certainly dont have to be religious or a believer to appreciate bible studies. but the one thing which is absolutly mandatory and necessary in that field is to understand Hebrew. No translation in the world gives one the nuances and melodious sound the original invokes. I imagine the same is true to some degree for NT, so get your greek and hebrew textbooks out and start learning, No English translation could ever truly manage to convey the essence.

                      as Ive said many times, imagine shakespeare translated into some non indo-european language, Korean or Bantu. you may get the story line, macbeth kills the king, but thats about it.

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