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The Fermi Paradox - an explanation

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  • MikM Away
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    Mik
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    The same attributes that may lead to our destruction also led to our advancement.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      Seems very unsciency…

      The Brad

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      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

        Seems very unsciency…

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        @LuFins-Dad said in The Fermi Paradox - an explanation:

        Seems very unsciency…

        There you go:

        The paper has not yet been peer-reviewed.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • HoraceH Online
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          That theory, that technology destroys civilizations before it allows them to populate the universe, is probably old and common enough that it would be difficult to pinpoint who first thought of it. The first time I heard it was when Michiu Kaku was on Art Bell's show 30 years ago.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • MikM Away
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            Kanu went on Art Bell? Geddouddahere.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              I also think that the dinosaurs were around for millions (hundreds of millions) of years. They were intelligent life, and if the giant meteor did not kill them all, they may still be around today.

              They were intelligent life, yet never built a house, never had machines, etc.

              There may many many examples of this type of intelligent life out there in the universe.

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              • MikM Mik

                Kanu went on Art Bell? Geddouddahere.

                HoraceH Online
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                Horace
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                @Mik said in The Fermi Paradox - an explanation:

                Kanu went on Art Bell? Geddouddahere.

                Sure, he was a frequent guest. It even gets a mention on Kaku’s Wikipedia entry.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  In Reynolds' universe, intelligent life pops up all the time. Machine-capable, space-faring intelligence, that is.

                  But, a long time ago, the propensity to destroy themselves, and potentially others, was recognized by one of the oldest space-faring civilizations. They developed a system of AI to check on these nascent space-farers. And, as soon as they became even remotely dangerous (like with the use of nuclear weapons), the AI (Reynolds calls them "The Inhibitors") snuffs them out - all life on the planet is erased, and the threat is removed.

                  The builders of the AI are long-since gone, but The Inhibitors are still out there. And that's the premise of his "Revelation Space" saga.

                  I've commented on it before. Reynolds is not an easy read. He's very dense, very - how can I put it - assuming that you'll eventually catch on to his concepts. He doesn't explain things, though in the read, they become clear. Reynolds is a challenging and visionary science fiction writer.

                  From Wiki:

                  " Fermi's paradox is explained as resulting from the activities of an inorganic alien race referred to by its victims as the Inhibitors, which exterminates sentient races if they proceed above a certain level of technology. The trilogy consisting of Revelation Space, Redemption Ark and Absolution Gap (the Inhibitor trilogy)[1] deals with humanity coming to the attention of the Inhibitors and the resultant war between them."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    In Reynolds' universe, intelligent life pops up all the time. Machine-capable, space-faring intelligence, that is.

                    But, a long time ago, the propensity to destroy themselves, and potentially others, was recognized by one of the oldest space-faring civilizations. They developed a system of AI to check on these nascent space-farers. And, as soon as they became even remotely dangerous (like with the use of nuclear weapons), the AI (Reynolds calls them "The Inhibitors") snuffs them out - all life on the planet is erased, and the threat is removed.

                    The builders of the AI are long-since gone, but The Inhibitors are still out there. And that's the premise of his "Revelation Space" saga.

                    I've commented on it before. Reynolds is not an easy read. He's very dense, very - how can I put it - assuming that you'll eventually catch on to his concepts. He doesn't explain things, though in the read, they become clear. Reynolds is a challenging and visionary science fiction writer.

                    From Wiki:

                    " Fermi's paradox is explained as resulting from the activities of an inorganic alien race referred to by its victims as the Inhibitors, which exterminates sentient races if they proceed above a certain level of technology. The trilogy consisting of Revelation Space, Redemption Ark and Absolution Gap (the Inhibitor trilogy)[1] deals with humanity coming to the attention of the Inhibitors and the resultant war between them."

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                    Doctor Phibes
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                    Personally, I think the most likely reason we’ve not been contacted is that the universe is inconceivably huge, and nobody’s managed to get past the speed of light limitation, which could easily be an unbreakable speed limit.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      Personally, I think the most likely reason we’ve not been contacted is that the universe is inconceivably huge, and nobody’s managed to get past the speed of light limitation, which could easily be an unbreakable speed limit.

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                      George K
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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Fermi Paradox - an explanation:

                      the universe is inconceivably huge

                      If you watch a bit of the Reynolds TED talk, he puts that in perspective.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        There are probably millions of alien civilizations with different metabolism, their clocks are different.

                        If your life spanned billions of earth years and your heart beats once per earth day the light speed limit wouldn't matter as much.

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