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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    The coverage.

    NewsBusters examined the first five days of the Pelosi attack and found that it was 11 times larger than the amount of coverage on the major broadcast network (ABC, CBS, and NBC morning, evening, and Sunday morning shows had given over the same period to the attempted assassination of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

    MRC analysts found the Kavanaugh story fetched a total of 15 minutes and 1 second of airtime in the first five days since the story broke, which was June 8. The story completely fell out of the news cycle in less than 24 hours with all three evening newscasts (ABC’s World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, and NBC Nightly News) dropping the story on June 9, after covering it that morning (as reported by NewsBusters managing editor Curtis Houck).

    The Kavanaugh attack garnered 5 minutes and 44 seconds on the first evening. ABC gave it 2 minutes 30 seconds, CBS had 2 minutes 8 seconds, and NBC came in last with 1 minute 6 seconds.

    The story popped back up thanks to authorities releasing the 911 call on Saturday, June 11 with NBC’s Today giving it a 23-second recap and ABC’s World News Tonight giving it 41 seconds. And as NewsBusters weekend analyst Kevin Tober reported at the time, there was no mention of the attack against Kavanaugh and his family on the Sunday morning roundtable programs.

    In stunning contrast, analysts found that the broadcast networks gave a whopping 166 minutes and 16 seconds to the Pelosi attack in the first five days. That’s almost three hours of coverage (2:46:16).

    On the first evening, ABC alone eclipsed the total first-night Kavanaugh coverage with 6 minutes and 40 seconds. NBC gave it 6 minutes and 9 seconds, while CBS gave it 5 minutes and 22 seconds. This brought their first night total to 18 minutes and 11 seconds. The first night of Pelosi coverage surpasses the five-day total for Kavanaugh.

    The only time a broadcast network didn’t bring up the attack in those five days was when the Saturday evening newscasts for ABC and CBS were preempted for college football.

    While ABC’s This Week, CBS’s Face the Nation, and NBC’s Meet the Press ignored the Kavanaugh attack on Sunday, June 12, the attack on Pelosi was their number one story NBC devoted almost 31 minutes (30:54). CBS gave it 12 minutes 32 seconds, and ABC came in last with 7 minutes 2 seconds.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      The coverage.

      NewsBusters examined the first five days of the Pelosi attack and found that it was 11 times larger than the amount of coverage on the major broadcast network (ABC, CBS, and NBC morning, evening, and Sunday morning shows had given over the same period to the attempted assassination of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

      MRC analysts found the Kavanaugh story fetched a total of 15 minutes and 1 second of airtime in the first five days since the story broke, which was June 8. The story completely fell out of the news cycle in less than 24 hours with all three evening newscasts (ABC’s World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, and NBC Nightly News) dropping the story on June 9, after covering it that morning (as reported by NewsBusters managing editor Curtis Houck).

      The Kavanaugh attack garnered 5 minutes and 44 seconds on the first evening. ABC gave it 2 minutes 30 seconds, CBS had 2 minutes 8 seconds, and NBC came in last with 1 minute 6 seconds.

      The story popped back up thanks to authorities releasing the 911 call on Saturday, June 11 with NBC’s Today giving it a 23-second recap and ABC’s World News Tonight giving it 41 seconds. And as NewsBusters weekend analyst Kevin Tober reported at the time, there was no mention of the attack against Kavanaugh and his family on the Sunday morning roundtable programs.

      In stunning contrast, analysts found that the broadcast networks gave a whopping 166 minutes and 16 seconds to the Pelosi attack in the first five days. That’s almost three hours of coverage (2:46:16).

      On the first evening, ABC alone eclipsed the total first-night Kavanaugh coverage with 6 minutes and 40 seconds. NBC gave it 6 minutes and 9 seconds, while CBS gave it 5 minutes and 22 seconds. This brought their first night total to 18 minutes and 11 seconds. The first night of Pelosi coverage surpasses the five-day total for Kavanaugh.

      The only time a broadcast network didn’t bring up the attack in those five days was when the Saturday evening newscasts for ABC and CBS were preempted for college football.

      While ABC’s This Week, CBS’s Face the Nation, and NBC’s Meet the Press ignored the Kavanaugh attack on Sunday, June 12, the attack on Pelosi was their number one story NBC devoted almost 31 minutes (30:54). CBS gave it 12 minutes 32 seconds, and ABC came in last with 7 minutes 2 seconds.

      jon-nycJ Offline
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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
      #44

      @George-K

      The Kavanaugh attack….

      …. which never actually happened.

      If Kavanaugh had had his skull crushed with a hammer then maybe the comparison would be valid.

      In the event the dude never even got onto his property and ended up calling the cops on himself after his sister told him to.

      Apple, meet orange.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #45

        Okay, let’s compare with Scalise, then.

        The Brad

        George KG 1 Reply Last reply
        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          Okay, let’s compare with Scalise, then.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #46

          @LuFins-Dad said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

          Okay, let’s compare with Scalise, then.

          image.jpeg

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @LuFins-Dad said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

            Okay, let’s compare with Scalise, then.

            image.jpeg

            jon-nycJ Offline
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            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
            #47

            @George-K where’s WSJ and NY Post in your graph?

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @George-K where’s WSJ and NY Post in your graph?

              George KG Offline
              George KG Offline
              George K
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              #48

              @jon-nyc

              https://thefederalist.com/2017/06/22/media-covered-gabby-giffords-shooting-almost-three-times-much-steve-scalise-shooting/

              LexisNexis is a database that archives a large number of U.S. and world newspapers. I used it to compute two timespans following each shooting: The first three days of news coverage, and then the first full week. I also broke out mentions of each representative’s name for The New York Times, Washington Post, New York Daily News, and USA Today, newspapers with the broadest reach, both geographically (USA Today) and politically (NYT, WaPo). Lexis doesn’t include Wall Street Journal archives and their archives for subscribers don’t go back to the Giffords incident (very annoying, WSJ) or I would have included their results, too. So here’s what that looks like.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                #49

                Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                Education is extremely important.

                Doctor PhibesD jon-nycJ 2 Replies Last reply
                • HoraceH Horace

                  Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #50

                  @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                  Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                  Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                  Right?

                  I was only joking

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @George-K

                    The Kavanaugh attack….

                    …. which never actually happened.

                    If Kavanaugh had had his skull crushed with a hammer then maybe the comparison would be valid.

                    In the event the dude never even got onto his property and ended up calling the cops on himself after his sister told him to.

                    Apple, meet orange.

                    George KG Offline
                    George KG Offline
                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #51

                    @jon-nyc said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                    @George-K

                    The Kavanaugh attack….

                    …. which never actually happened.

                    OK, now consider the GOP candidate whose house was shot up.

                    (Biden didn't mention that, you know)

                    So, apples and oranges bullets and hammers.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                      Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                      Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                      Right?

                      HoraceH Offline
                      HoraceH Offline
                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #52

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                      @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                      Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                      Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                      Right?

                      That is correct.

                      Education is extremely important.

                      Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                        @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                        Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                        Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                        Right?

                        That is correct.

                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
                        Doctor PhibesD Offline
                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #53

                        @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                        @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                        Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                        Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                        Right?

                        That is correct.

                        So you’re totally happy with shit media as long as it trots out your side of the story

                        I was only joking

                        HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                          Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                          Right?

                          That is correct.

                          So you’re totally happy with shit media as long as it trots out your side of the story

                          HoraceH Offline
                          HoraceH Offline
                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #54

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                          Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                          Surely, it’s not so much the bias that’s the problem, but the preponderance of liberal mainstream media. Surely, nobody is delusional enough to complain that Fox is unbiased. The real problem is that there are so many more organizations on the other side.

                          Right?

                          That is correct.

                          So you’re totally happy with shit media as long as it trots out your side of the story

                          I don’t follow fox or CNN. I suppose it would be better if they were less biased. I’m more interested in following the gestalt, however it comes to be.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @LuFins-Dad said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                            Okay, let’s compare with Scalise, then.

                            image.jpeg

                            taiwan_girlT Offline
                            taiwan_girlT Offline
                            taiwan_girl
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                            #55

                            @George-K said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                            Okay, let’s compare with Scalise, then.

                            image.jpeg

                            Again, somewhat apple to orange.

                            In the shooting of Giffords, 18 people were shot, 6 killed, including a federal judge and a 9 year old kid.

                            In the shooting of Scalise, 4 people shot, none killed.

                            Sadly, but in general, the bigger the shooting, the more headlines and news stories.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                              jon-nycJ Offline
                              jon-nycJ Offline
                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                              #56

                              @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                              Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                              In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                                In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                                HoraceH Offline
                                HoraceH Offline
                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #57

                                @jon-nyc said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                                In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                                What's more common is to ignore the propensity of the messaging, throughout all media, (let's just call it all cultural messaging), and satisfy oneself that both sides are the same, by pointing to one example from the opposing tribe.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                  Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                                  In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                  Doctor PhibesD Offline
                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #58

                                  @jon-nyc said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                  @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                  Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                                  In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                                  I seem to remember being laughed at a while back for saying that Fox News was part of the MSM.

                                  I was only joking

                                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @jon-nyc said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                    @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                    Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                                    In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                                    I seem to remember being laughed at a while back for saying that Fox News was part of the MSM.

                                    HoraceH Offline
                                    HoraceH Offline
                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #59

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                    @jon-nyc said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                    @Horace said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                    Allegations of media bias are a common play in the far right conspiracy theory playbook.

                                    In a selective and tautological sense usually. It’s common to exclude conservative media despite it having gone “mainstream” decades ago.

                                    I seem to remember being laughed at a while back for saying that Fox News was part of the MSM.

                                    What's more common is to ignore the propensity of the messaging, throughout all media, (let's just call it all cultural messaging), and satisfy oneself that both sides are the same, by pointing to one example from the opposing tribe.

                                    Education is extremely important.

                                    Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      I am still having trouble figuring out how exactly a crazy guy with a hammer was able to gain access to to the house of the woman that is two heartbeats from the Presidency of the United States, and in reality is the 2nd most powerful elected official.

                                      The guy couldn’t have gained access to my house, how the hell did he get in there?

                                      The Brad

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #61

                                        A hammer to a window wouldn’t get someone in your house? Do you have bars or something?

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          I am still having trouble figuring out how exactly a crazy guy with a hammer was able to gain access to to the house of the woman that is two heartbeats from the Presidency of the United States, and in reality is the 2nd most powerful elected official.

                                          The guy couldn’t have gained access to my house, how the hell did he get in there?

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                                          Copper
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                                          #62

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in More whackadoodle stuff.:

                                          how exactly a crazy guy with a hammer was able to gain access to to the house

                                          Mr. Pelosi simply opened the door.

                                          No big deal.

                                          The same way he opened the door for the police, before the hammer incident.

                                          And then went back to standing near the felon to wrestle over the hammer.

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