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So much for my flight plans.

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    #1

    Won't be on American.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/american-airlines-ditching-first-class-on-international-flights-because-customers-aren-t-buying-it/ar-AA13ezsa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2e6c04e857934a9780e51bc2a4936ea4

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #2

      Maybe they could charge a reasonable amount for a reasonable amount of extra space.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
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        #3

        Business is still fine, very different from their domestic flights. AA has lie flat seats in business on the international routes.

        Besides, you probably wouldn’t want to pay for a first class ticket to Europe. You’re talking ~8k round trip per person.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          It's only money.

          Speed is fine, but comfort is essential...

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
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            #5

            Most people that can afford First can probably afford private.

            Private is better.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Business is still fine, very different from their domestic flights. AA has lie flat seats in business on the international routes.

              Besides, you probably wouldn’t want to pay for a first class ticket to Europe. You’re talking ~8k round trip per person.

              MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #6

              @jon-nyc said in So much for my flight plans.:

              Business is still fine, very different from their domestic flights. AA has lie flat seats in business on the international routes.

              Besides, you probably wouldn’t want to pay for a first class ticket to Europe. You’re talking ~8k round trip per person.

              We have them to Hawaii at about $5K each, but we'll have those pods to sleep in.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #7

                Teterboro to London $86,750 for 16 people = $5,421 each

                No waiting in line, have the limo meet you on the ramp

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Round trip?

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    @jon-nyc said in So much for my flight plans.:

                    Business is still fine, very different from their domestic flights. AA has lie flat seats in business on the international routes.

                    Besides, you probably wouldn’t want to pay for a first class ticket to Europe. You’re talking ~8k round trip per person.

                    We have them to Hawaii at about $5K each, but we'll have those pods to sleep in.

                    jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
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                    @Mik said in So much for my flight plans.:

                    @jon-nyc said in So much for my flight plans.:

                    Business is still fine, very different from their domestic flights. AA has lie flat seats in business on the international routes.

                    Besides, you probably wouldn’t want to pay for a first class ticket to Europe. You’re talking ~8k round trip per person.

                    We have them to Hawaii at about $5K each, but we'll have those pods to sleep in.

                    You have business or first?

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      #10

                      First.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        You guys are spoiled. We go everywhere cattle class. I don't want to spend thousands of dollars just to make something suck less. When it comes to flying, it's the destination that's important, not the journey.

                        I was only joking

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
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                          #12

                          Anything 3 hours or less and I’d agree.

                          Much of my first class flying has either been on points or me paying for the upgrade for business travel. Often I could get the upgrade for under a hundred bucks. With what I was making it was chump change.

                          Is it worth it for Hawaii and 13 hours each way? You bet.

                          I totally disagree on the journey being unimportant. The journey is very important. That’s what I don’t like about flying. No sense of the journey.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Anything 3 hours or less and I’d agree.

                            Much of my first class flying has either been on points or me paying for the upgrade for business travel. Often I could get the upgrade for under a hundred bucks. With what I was making it was chump change.

                            Is it worth it for Hawaii and 13 hours each way? You bet.

                            I totally disagree on the journey being unimportant. The journey is very important. That’s what I don’t like about flying. No sense of the journey.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #13

                            @Mik said in So much for my flight plans.:

                            Anything 3 hours or less and I’d agree.

                            Much of my first class flying has either been on points or me paying for the upgrade for business travel. Often I could get the upgrade for under a hundred bucks. With what I was making it was chump change.

                            Is it worth it for Hawaii and 13 hours each way? You bet.

                            I can handle 5-6 hours without too much trouble. After that, it starts getting a bit nasty. I think our company policy is we get business class at 7 hours. Obviously, senior management don't hold with that sort of thing when it comes to us proles, so they're happy for us to make the sacrifice for the common good.

                            One of my favourite memories was seeing three executives flying in from Germany by corporate jet to where I worked in Canada to present a seminar on minimizing business expense.

                            I was only joking

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Round trip?

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                              @Mik said in So much for my flight plans.:

                              Round trip?

                              Come on, you probably want a bag of peanuts too, you just can't please some people.

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                You guys are spoiled. We go everywhere cattle class. I don't want to spend thousands of dollars just to make something suck less. When it comes to flying, it's the destination that's important, not the journey.

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                #15

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in So much for my flight plans.:

                                You guys are spoiled. We go everywhere cattle class. I don't want to spend thousands of dollars just to make something suck less. When it comes to flying, it's the destination that's important

                                10 years ago I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. Even spending $200 more for Exit Row on a domestic flight was outrageous (I remember when attendants used to ask for people to take exit row seats rather than charge more…) spending thousands for a full recline seat, a bad meal, and a half a dozen drinks? No way…

                                The problem is that I can’t twist and contort my legs enough to fit into any Coach seats anymore without getting severe cramps within 90 minutes. I don’t know if it’s age or the space has shrunk, but it’s impossible. So I don’t fly the East Coast anymore. If I can drive there in 12 hours, then that’s what I will do instead of flying for 2… When possible I will take the NE Regional Train to Philly, NY, or Boston.

                                Flying to LA? I go business or first and bitch about the price the whole way (though I will recoup a significant part of the cost in drinks)…

                                The Brad

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #16

                                  I'm only 5 foot 7. There are definite advantages to being a short-arse.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    The only times I have flown first class on international Tran-Pacific has been on upgrade. I am pretty sure that everyone else in the cabin was the same. On international flights, the gap between economy -->business is pretty big. Between business --> first class, pretty small. Slightly wider seat, maybe an extra course at meal time. In July, I flew ANA business (called "Business Suite"). It would be very difficult to find a first class seat that was better. They had "doors" that you could close, basically making your own little cabin. Provide pajamas if you want, etc. Very nice!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Ah, many have probably not flown first class when it really was first class. It was great.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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