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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    Excellent sign.

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #20

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-protests-are-proving-a-durable-challenge-to-the-islamic-republic-11665319812

      Three weeks after antigovernment protests erupted across Iran—sparked by the death of a woman detained for allegedly violating the country’s strict Islamic dress code—the movement has proved more durable than previous challenges to Tehran’s leaders and could pose a continuing threat.

      Students across the country rallied outside universities on Sunday, chanting slogans including “death to the dictator,” and schoolgirls marched in the streets of Tehran waving their veils in the air, a gesture that has become a central expression of dissent. The governor of Kurdistan province on Sunday ordered universities closed, likely to avoid more protests. Stores across the country stayed closed as part of a widening strike of shopkeepers.

      The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said. But the deep disaffection they represent and the fact that they target a key pillar of the Islamic Republic and its foundational ideology make them a significant test.

      Since the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman taken into custody by Iran’s morality police in September, protesters who initially focused on women’s rights have broadened their aims, calling for more freedom in life and politics and the ouster of the country’s Islamic leadership.

      At the heart of the protests is the Islamic head covering, or hijab, which has been mandatory for Iranian women since 1983, four years after the Islamic Revolution that brought the Islamic clerics to power.

      “This moment is significant because it has unleashed the potential for longer-lasting civil disobedience,” said Narges Bajoghli, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist who studies Iran. “Given that half the population must veil, this issue cuts across class, ethnicity and social position.”

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #21

        The problem?

        Don't kill yourself without taking a half-dozen bastards with you.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-mother-kills-herself-after-security-forces-beat-daughter-to-death/ar-AA12NdvR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=cb9c901bf8594e5aab6ed9dc9bec41df

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG George K

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-protests-are-proving-a-durable-challenge-to-the-islamic-republic-11665319812

          Three weeks after antigovernment protests erupted across Iran—sparked by the death of a woman detained for allegedly violating the country’s strict Islamic dress code—the movement has proved more durable than previous challenges to Tehran’s leaders and could pose a continuing threat.

          Students across the country rallied outside universities on Sunday, chanting slogans including “death to the dictator,” and schoolgirls marched in the streets of Tehran waving their veils in the air, a gesture that has become a central expression of dissent. The governor of Kurdistan province on Sunday ordered universities closed, likely to avoid more protests. Stores across the country stayed closed as part of a widening strike of shopkeepers.

          The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said. But the deep disaffection they represent and the fact that they target a key pillar of the Islamic Republic and its foundational ideology make them a significant test.

          Since the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman taken into custody by Iran’s morality police in September, protesters who initially focused on women’s rights have broadened their aims, calling for more freedom in life and politics and the ouster of the country’s Islamic leadership.

          At the heart of the protests is the Islamic head covering, or hijab, which has been mandatory for Iranian women since 1983, four years after the Islamic Revolution that brought the Islamic clerics to power.

          “This moment is significant because it has unleashed the potential for longer-lasting civil disobedience,” said Narges Bajoghli, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist who studies Iran. “Given that half the population must veil, this issue cuts across class, ethnicity and social position.”

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          @George-K said in In Iran:

          The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said

          Could surprise however. Who thought that Premier Ceaușescu would be drive from office. (Though I have read things that it really was not really a revolution, but a coup)

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @George-K said in In Iran:

            The demonstrations are unlikely to topple the government, at least in the short term, activists and political analysts said

            Could surprise however. Who thought that Premier Ceaușescu would be drive from office. (Though I have read things that it really was not really a revolution, but a coup)

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            Renauda
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            #23

            @taiwan_girl

            All of the Warsaw Pact member states were tossing out their communists overlords at that time. Romania, the most Stalinist of them all after East Germany, was going to follow suit. When it came it was no surprise as it, along with Albania which was unique in it’s own Stalinist way, were among the very last hold outs.

            What is happening in Iran now is very different.

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
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              #24

              Romania is largely remembered more than the other former Warsaw Pact states because of the fate of the Ceausecus. .

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • MikM Mik

                Romania is largely remembered more than the other former Warsaw Pact states because of the fate of the Ceausecus. .

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                Renauda
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                #25

                @Mik

                Ceausescu and his wife earned every grain of that lead poisoning at the wall.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Away
                  MikM Away
                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                  #26

                  They certainly did. A most fitting end for the likes of them.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #27

                    WHen Premier Ceaușescu gets booed from stage. The look on his face is "Oops - what is happen here??!!"

                    Link to video

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #28

                      Gladwell talks about the fall of Ceausescu in "The Tipping Point."

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #29

                        Back on topic, it would be good if the Iranian people were there.

                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
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                          #30

                          Now the oil workers are joining in, threatening to destroy what they built.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/oil-workers-join-iran-protests-we-ll-destroy-everything-we-built/ar-AA12PRzN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a74a47b5a5d34ffebbc2c9b6b84857a8

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                          • George KG George K

                            Gladwell talks about the fall of Ceausescu in "The Tipping Point."

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #31

                            @George-K said in In Iran:

                            Gladwell talks about the fall of Ceausescu in "The Tipping Point."

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point

                            That looks like an interesting book

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @George-K said in In Iran:

                              Gladwell talks about the fall of Ceausescu in "The Tipping Point."

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tipping_Point

                              That looks like an interesting book

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #32

                              @taiwan_girl it is. It's been years since I read it, so only a couple of anecdotes stick out in my memory, this being one of them.

                              It's very much "pop psychology" stuff, like much of his other stuff. Entertaining, nevertheless.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #33

                                Watched a news report on the Iran revolt this am that discussed at some length a state militia called Basij. They are they ones cracking protesters’ heads and other despicable criminal acts against dissenters.

                                Especially nasty bunch of fanatics:

                                https://www.voanews.com/amp/iran-s-basij-force-specialists-in-cracking-down-on-dissent-/6759796.html

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #34

                                  Iran has a citizenry that is very angry with their government and very tired of their repression. I think the mullahs never really stamped out the westernization of the country. I really hope this rids the country of these medieval bastards in power.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    Iran has a citizenry that is very angry with their government and very tired of their repression. I think the mullahs never really stamped out the westernization of the country. I really hope this rids the country of these medieval bastards in power.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #35

                                    @Mik

                                    We can only hope.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #36

                                      It's spreading.

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-s-evin-prison-set-on-fire-as-protests-spread/ar-AA130aYf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d39c62c478ab4ff7884e127c16079123

                                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #37

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-protests-how-far-can-they-go/ar-AA130e31?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e64b9499eb6a4981a65731c4280125fa

                                        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #38

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/commentary-iran-regime-on-borrowed-time/ar-AA13aGN7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=868a66b3f4cc41a5826dc13bb65b0c8a

                                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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