Meanwhile, in Chicago...

[Jolly]

Up for serious consideration...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2020/6/6/21282299/chicago-reparations-african-american-resolution-city-council

[Mik]

Seems to me Chicago’s black population moved there voluntarily to find work.

[LuFins Dad]

What’s an appropriate amount for reparations?

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Chicago...:

What’s an appropriate amount for reparations?

I want some. My ancestors were oppressed and killed. Thrown out of their homes with nothing but a suitcase.

Tell me where the line is, and I'll get in.

[LuFins Dad]

I don’t get this. I really don’t. You can’t even try to have an open and honest conversation about this without something being misconstrued as racist. We’re supposed to be having an open and honest conversation about race relations, but you’re not allowed to say anything contrary.

[Jolly]

@George-K said in Meanwhile, in Chicago...:

@LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Chicago...:

What’s an appropriate amount for reparations?

I want some. My ancestors were oppressed and killed. Thrown out of their homes with nothing but a suitcase.

Tell me where the line is, and I'll get in.

White is beautiful,
Tan is grand,
But black is the color
Of the Big Boss Man.

*Sorry, Charlie.*

[George K]

"Let's have a conversation" means "Shut up and listen to what I say."

[LuFins Dad]

Okay, if we’re going with reparations for all of the bad things from slavery through today, we need to figure out who all is paying. Obviously, the US (though it probably should be weighted with the southern states paying more), but I think we also need to include Portugal, the UK, France, Spain, Denmark, and The Netherlands. Oh, we also don’t want to forget all of the South American countries that participated and profited.

Question - should Portugal pay a higher amount since they actually participated in capturing slaves?

Now, in all fairness, we should probably also include the African nations that participated, right?

Now, do we make allowances for those of us who’s forbears fought for The Union in ending slavery? Does Karla receive some reparation credit for having a great great uncle that was part of the Underground Railroad? Probably shouldn’t since she still had the benefit of being white in a system that profits off the black. However, there are an awful lot of first generation immigrants from Asian and Pacific nations that haven’t profited off the black people, so we should probably make them exempt.

Now that we know who is paying, let’s get to work figuring out how much. This is the hard part. Frankly, we can’t really determine to what extent the black community has suffered from slavery and discrimination. The only thing I can think of is to try to use a control group to compare the aggregate quality of lives of Africans that didn’t suffer through slavery and the systemic racism that is endemic to the American tyranny. Let’s compare the lifespan, health, income, education, and general quality of lives of the Sub-Saharan and Windward Coast Africans with African Americans as a starting point to see how far back they’ve been set. Then we can move on from there.

[LuFins Dad]

So, did I officially kill this thread?

[xenon]

Why don’t we just give a claim on the surplus in Illinois’s treasury.

Share the state’s wealth.

[Jolly]

@LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Chicago...:

Okay, if we’re going with reparations for all of the bad things from slavery through today, we need to figure out who all is paying. Obviously, the US (though it probably should be weighted with the southern states paying more), but I think we also need to include Portugal, the UK, France, Spain, Denmark, and The Netherlands. Oh, we also don’t want to forget all of the South American countries that participated and profited.

Question - should Portugal pay a higher amount since they actually participated in capturing slaves?

Now, in all fairness, we should probably also include the African nations that participated, right?

Now, do we make allowances for those of us who’s forbears fought for The Union in ending slavery? Does Karla receive some reparation credit for having a great great uncle that was part of the Underground Railroad? Probably shouldn’t since she still had the benefit of being white in a system that profits off the black. However, there are an awful lot of first generation immigrants from Asian and Pacific nations that haven’t profited off the black people, so we should probably make them exempt.

Now that we know who is paying, let’s get to work figuring out how much. This is the hard part. Frankly, we can’t really determine to what extent the black community has suffered from slavery and discrimination. The only thing I can think of is to try to use a control group to compare the aggregate quality of lives of Africans that didn’t suffer through slavery and the systemic racism that is endemic to the American tyranny. Let’s compare the lifespan, health, income, education, and general quality of lives of the Sub-Saharan and Windward Coast Africans with African Americans as a starting point to see how far back they’ve been set. Then we can move on from there.

You still need to figure out who we need to pay. Not all blacks have slaves in their geneology.

[Doctor Phibes]

I want my tea back, plus back-taxes.

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly Ahh, but they are still victims of the systemic racism.