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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #5

    They have the right to strike. But in today's precarious shipping environment, something better give pretty quick.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by Mik
      #6

      They do, but at what point does the strike become extortion on a national level. Can't help but remember Reagan and the ATCs.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      • MikM Mik

        13 rail unions. Wow.

        Any idea what the two are holding out for?

        George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #7

        @Mik said in The Rail Strike:

        Any idea what the two are holding out for?

        Among other things, better reliability of scheduling runs. From what I've read, a lot of these guys are on call for extended periods and have to show up for the run within a short period of time (2 hours?).

        Labor cuts, lack of paid days off, precision scheduling systems to reduce headcounts, disciplinary attendance policies that issue points against workers for any time taken off and unfair and punishing on-call schedules have made it more difficult to continue working in the railroad industry, said Grooters, and workers claim these issues aren’t being addressed in proposed new union contract agreements.

        Railroad workers have emphasized their grueling schedules, a disciplinary attendance system and lack of paid days off, and workers constantly having to be on call to report to work within two hours or less as major points of criticism of the PEB recommendations that failed to address these issues.

        More here:

        https://www.axios.com/2022/09/13/with-rail-strike-looming-two-unions-are-holding-out

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #8

          Just in time has caused a lot of grief. Probably more than it is worth.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #9

            Beancounters rule the world.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • George KG George K

              @Mik said in The Rail Strike:

              Any idea what the two are holding out for?

              Among other things, better reliability of scheduling runs. From what I've read, a lot of these guys are on call for extended periods and have to show up for the run within a short period of time (2 hours?).

              Labor cuts, lack of paid days off, precision scheduling systems to reduce headcounts, disciplinary attendance policies that issue points against workers for any time taken off and unfair and punishing on-call schedules have made it more difficult to continue working in the railroad industry, said Grooters, and workers claim these issues aren’t being addressed in proposed new union contract agreements.

              Railroad workers have emphasized their grueling schedules, a disciplinary attendance system and lack of paid days off, and workers constantly having to be on call to report to work within two hours or less as major points of criticism of the PEB recommendations that failed to address these issues.

              More here:

              https://www.axios.com/2022/09/13/with-rail-strike-looming-two-unions-are-holding-out

              AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
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              #10

              @George-K said in The Rail Strike:

              From what I've read, a lot of these guys are on call for extended periods and have to show up for the run within a short period of time (2 hours?).

              Do you know of these workers are salaried or paid hourly wages?
              I think hourly workers need to be paid for the time they are “on call,” perhaps at reduced rates, but be paid nonetheless. There is real opportunity cost to being “on call” as it substantially limits you on what you can do and where you can go while “on call.” I can really see it wrecking family life and budget if you also have to arrange for child care or elder care, etc. to be “on call.”

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #11

                Rail guys are hourly.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #12

                  No strikes for years, then 11 come at once.

                  Oh sorry, that's the buses.

                  I was only joking

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #13

                    I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                      MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by Mik
                      #14

                      @George-K said in The Rail Strike:

                      I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                      Likely on extended paternity leave. Priorities, don’tcha know. It blows my mind that anyone would even consider him as a presidential candidate. He’s way over his head in Transportation.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #15

                        Traumatic anal sphincter injury after they pulled a baby out of it.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • George KG George K

                          I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                          AxtremusA Offline
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                          Axtremus
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                          #16

                          @George-K said in The Rail Strike:

                          I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                          If you miss Sec. Buttigieg that much …

                          https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/1-rail-union-rejects-deal-2-accept-ahead-of-strike-deadline/3363117/

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            I saw him on TV twice yesterday, very brief, vacuous soundbites. One about the rail strike, stating that it's a problem that needs to be worked out. Really. The other was at the auto show waxing rhapsodic about the electric cars. He's the lightweight's lightweight.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @George-K said in The Rail Strike:

                              I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                              If you miss Sec. Buttigieg that much …

                              https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/1-rail-union-rejects-deal-2-accept-ahead-of-strike-deadline/3363117/

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
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                              #18

                              @Axtremus said in The Rail Strike:

                              @George-K said in The Rail Strike:

                              I've tried to find what SecTrans Buttiegeg (sp?) has said or done about this, to no avail.

                              If you miss Sec. Buttigieg that much …

                              https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/1-rail-union-rejects-deal-2-accept-ahead-of-strike-deadline/3363117/

                              Why do you assume I "miss" him? My question was simply about his whereabouts.

                              By the way there's a tentative agreement to prevent the strike.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by George K
                                #19

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/business/rail-strike.html?fbclid=IwAR3bLfePxvvY_e42W1gYQOckBa3ORpM7UlDl0u1BDiUEDf387iWMeyKeWhE

                                Freight rail companies and unions representing tens of thousands of workers reached a tentative agreement to avoid what would have been an economically damaging strike, after all-night talks brokered by Labor Secretary Martin J. Walsh, President Biden said early Thursday morning.

                                The agreement now heads to union members for a ratification vote, which is a standard procedure in labor talks. While the vote is tallied, workers have agreed not to strike.

                                The talks brokered by Mr. Walsh began Wednesday morning and lasted 20 hours. Mr. Biden called in around 9 p.m. Wednesday, a person familiar with the talks said, and he hailed the deal on Thursday in a long statement.
                                “The tentative agreement reached tonight is an important win for our economy and the American people,” Mr. Biden said. “It is a win for tens of thousands of rail workers who worked tirelessly through the pandemic to ensure that America’s families and communities got deliveries of what have kept us going during these difficult years.”

                                The announcement had a swift effect for rail passengers. A day after canceling all long-distance passenger trains to avoid stranding people in the event of a freight rail strike, Amtrak said it was “working to quickly restore canceled trains and reaching out to impacted customers to accommodate on first available departures.” Many of Amtrak’s trains run on tracks operated and maintained by freight carriers

                                The White House did not immediately release details of the agreement. Talks had stalled over a push for companies to improve working conditions, including allowing workers to take unpaid leave to visit physicians.

                                “These rail workers will get better pay, improved working conditions, and peace of mind around their health care costs: all hard-earned,” Mr. Biden said. “The agreement is also a victory for railway companies who will be able to retain and recruit more workers for an industry that will continue to be part of the backbone of the American economy for decades to come.”

                                The Association of American Railroads, an industry group, thanked the unions and Biden administration officials — including Mr. Walsh, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack — for helping to bring the deal together.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #20

                                  Good news. I wonder how much money the government is kicking in.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    Good news. I wonder how much money the government is kicking in.

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #21

                                    @Mik said in The Rail Strike:

                                    Good news. I wonder how much money the government is kicking in.

                                    Yup, LOL.

                                    A game of who is going to "blink" first. I think in this case, the overall economy was in the worse position vs. the railroad workers.

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                                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/09/13/rail-strike-economy-impact/

                                      Rail strike averted.

                                      This passage under the heading “Why were railroad workers prepared to strike” caught my attention:

                                      “All we’re asking is folks to be able to go to routine doctor’s visits without pay, but they have refused to accept our proposals,” Dennis Pierce, president of the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET), said before the deal was struck. “The average American would not know that we get fired for going to the doctor. This one thing has our members most enraged. We have guys who were punished for taking time off for a heart attack and covid. It’s inhumane.”

                                      The workers asked for 15 sick days per year, the tentative deal that averted the strike gives them just one sick day per year.

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        Three weeks of sick days and a 24% pay raise over the next 5 years.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          Three weeks of sick days and a 24% pay raise over the next 5 years.

                                          CopperC Offline
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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #24

                                          @George-K said in The Rail Strike:

                                          24% pay raise over the next 5 years.

                                          Will that cover inflation?

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