The most Jollyesque video of all time
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@Mik said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
He speaks to a lot of things I think about, like people today not knowing how to DO anything much.
[Nodding.] And also to Aqua. I've thought about this also. Often in the context of rueing my own inability to do things. A more or less lifetime regret is that I can't do more things, and being unlucky enough to mostly only have men friends who can't do things either and therefore can't teach me how to do them, and envying men who can do them. It's not always possible to learn how to do things from books.
God bless YouTube.
I thought about writing a post listing all the things we now pay other people to do, like car mechanics, veterinary services, home/appliance repair, manicures, extermination, talk therapy. But I decided against it on the grounds it would be boring or obvious.
@Catseye3 said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Mik said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
He speaks to a lot of things I think about, like people today not knowing how to DO anything much.
[Nodding.] And also to Aqua. I've thought about this also. Often in the context of rueing my own inability to do things. A more or less lifetime regret is that I can't do more things, and being unlucky enough to mostly only have men friends who can't do things either and therefore can't teach me how to do them, and envying men who can do them. It's not always possible to learn how to do things from books.
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts, and a lot of them are more than happy to share a tip or two. I've recently learned a lot about how to maintain an outdoor pond by one of our neighbors, who's working on installing his. All it took was regular walks around town.
Please love yourself.
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@Catseye3 said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Mik said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
He speaks to a lot of things I think about, like people today not knowing how to DO anything much.
[Nodding.] And also to Aqua. I've thought about this also. Often in the context of rueing my own inability to do things. A more or less lifetime regret is that I can't do more things, and being unlucky enough to mostly only have men friends who can't do things either and therefore can't teach me how to do them, and envying men who can do them. It's not always possible to learn how to do things from books.
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts, and a lot of them are more than happy to share a tip or two. I've recently learned a lot about how to maintain an outdoor pond by one of our neighbors, who's working on installing his. All it took was regular walks around town.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts,1.) And many of them work in one of the big box stores, thank god.
2.) It's different for a single woman.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts,1.) And many of them work in one of the big box stores, thank god.
2.) It's different for a single woman.
@Catseye3 said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts,1.) And many of them work in one of the big box stores, thank god.
2.) It's different for a single woman.
Different yes, but that doesn't always mean bad.
Please love yourself.
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Beware the big box experts. They often do not know as much as they present. Trust but verify. And don't make irreversible changes based on their advice.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Catseye3 said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts,1.) And many of them work in one of the big box stores, thank god.
2.) It's different for a single woman.
Different yes, but that doesn't always mean bad.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
Different yes, but that doesn't always mean bad.
As Barbara Bush said in another context, "I should say not."
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Beware the big box experts. They often do not know as much as they present. Trust but verify. And don't make irreversible changes based on their advice.
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@Catseye3 said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Mik said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
He speaks to a lot of things I think about, like people today not knowing how to DO anything much.
[Nodding.] And also to Aqua. I've thought about this also. Often in the context of rueing my own inability to do things. A more or less lifetime regret is that I can't do more things, and being unlucky enough to mostly only have men friends who can't do things either and therefore can't teach me how to do them, and envying men who can do them. It's not always possible to learn how to do things from books.
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts, and a lot of them are more than happy to share a tip or two. I've recently learned a lot about how to maintain an outdoor pond by one of our neighbors, who's working on installing his. All it took was regular walks around town.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Catseye3 said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Mik said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
He speaks to a lot of things I think about, like people today not knowing how to DO anything much.
[Nodding.] And also to Aqua. I've thought about this also. Often in the context of rueing my own inability to do things. A more or less lifetime regret is that I can't do more things, and being unlucky enough to mostly only have men friends who can't do things either and therefore can't teach me how to do them, and envying men who can do them. It's not always possible to learn how to do things from books.
You live in a rural area, right?
Rural communities are gold mines for hands-on experts, and a lot of them are more than happy to share a tip or two. I've recently learned a lot about how to maintain an outdoor pond by one of our neighbors, who's working on installing his. All it took was regular walks around town.
Ever thrown sheetrock in a pond?
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Back to theology...He's using a trichotomy view of man. This is about a decent a commentary as I can link up...check out what is written about v.23:
https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/1-thessalonians-5/
And I'm not completely sure I agree with all of it (the great advantage of Southern Baptists is their belief in the Sanctity of the Believer. Go down that rabbit hole if you dare). I think we have to consider who Paul was and who he was writing to. Paul was classically educated and would be very aware of Greek philosophy and beliefs. Most Greeks were trichotomists, as the concept had been espoused by Plato and others. Since Paul was writing to a Greek church, he was trying in the verse to convey the entirety of Salvation. If you juxtapose that Scripture up against his other writings, he'll use spirit and soul pretty interchangeably, and there's even a case where things get broken down into four parts.
Now, a couple of places where I think our dog rocket waving friend misses the boat...
- Scriptures never say that there are multiple components that go to be with the Lord. Never. Ever. When I die, I (not two parts of me, but me without my body) goes to be with the Lord. Scripture can use the terms interchangeably (soul, spirit) to show that the immaterial goes to be with the Lord while the material remains here awaiting to be glorified at the resurrection of the dead.
When considering what Jesus said before his death...On the cross he commends his spirit unto the Father and gives up his spirit (John 19:29) and yet earlier, when he talked about what he was going to do, he says he is giving up his soul (John 10:15; Matt 20:28 ). So if Jesus is using those terms interchangeably, I'm not arguing with him.
- Balance. His theory is that if any of the trichotomy of man is out of balance, man is no longer centered. Man is missing something, he is not well, he is off-kilter and feels and acts the worse for it. Don't think so.
Some of the people I've known that best exhibited the outward traits of sanctification, may have been some of the least healthy in the physical aspect of their being. Yet, even though their "balance" was extremely off, they surely were not in the wretched state our friend describes.
Sanctification? In my view (and John Wesley's) sanctification is God's will for our lives and soul (1 Thessalonians 4:3). Sanctification is the process of becoming more like Christ, by purifying our hearts and minds, through repentance, prayer, and spiritual practices. With the help of the Holy Spirit, as we try to become more like Christ, we become more Christ-like in our own interactions with others. It's commonly referred to as the second working of Grace, after Salvation.
So, that's where I think our friend may be wrong. He'd make a good Greek Orthodox, though.
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Back to theology...He's using a trichotomy view of man. This is about a decent a commentary as I can link up...check out what is written about v.23:
https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/1-thessalonians-5/
And I'm not completely sure I agree with all of it (the great advantage of Southern Baptists is their belief in the Sanctity of the Believer. Go down that rabbit hole if you dare). I think we have to consider who Paul was and who he was writing to. Paul was classically educated and would be very aware of Greek philosophy and beliefs. Most Greeks were trichotomists, as the concept had been espoused by Plato and others. Since Paul was writing to a Greek church, he was trying in the verse to convey the entirety of Salvation. If you juxtapose that Scripture up against his other writings, he'll use spirit and soul pretty interchangeably, and there's even a case where things get broken down into four parts.
Now, a couple of places where I think our dog rocket waving friend misses the boat...
- Scriptures never say that there are multiple components that go to be with the Lord. Never. Ever. When I die, I (not two parts of me, but me without my body) goes to be with the Lord. Scripture can use the terms interchangeably (soul, spirit) to show that the immaterial goes to be with the Lord while the material remains here awaiting to be glorified at the resurrection of the dead.
When considering what Jesus said before his death...On the cross he commends his spirit unto the Father and gives up his spirit (John 19:29) and yet earlier, when he talked about what he was going to do, he says he is giving up his soul (John 10:15; Matt 20:28 ). So if Jesus is using those terms interchangeably, I'm not arguing with him.
- Balance. His theory is that if any of the trichotomy of man is out of balance, man is no longer centered. Man is missing something, he is not well, he is off-kilter and feels and acts the worse for it. Don't think so.
Some of the people I've known that best exhibited the outward traits of sanctification, may have been some of the least healthy in the physical aspect of their being. Yet, even though their "balance" was extremely off, they surely were not in the wretched state our friend describes.
Sanctification? In my view (and John Wesley's) sanctification is God's will for our lives and soul (1 Thessalonians 4:3). Sanctification is the process of becoming more like Christ, by purifying our hearts and minds, through repentance, prayer, and spiritual practices. With the help of the Holy Spirit, as we try to become more like Christ, we become more Christ-like in our own interactions with others. It's commonly referred to as the second working of Grace, after Salvation.
So, that's where I think our friend may be wrong. He'd make a good Greek Orthodox, though.
@Jolly said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
So, that's where I think our friend may be wrong. He'd make a good Greek Orthodox, though.
Well, a little background on this guy: he's a wrangler. Not a cowboy who dabbles in the off-season, he's full-time. So he travels. All the time, everywhere. Which means he doesn't go to the same church every day. His view of denominations is very different.
I can't speak to the theology. But from a practical standpoint of how humans work, I think he's got the right idea. We're thinking, social creatures. We need a handful of buckets to be filled to live a fulfilling life. This is a sloppily defined list but I hope it gets my idea across. It's roughly something like:
- family and friends. Some kind of in-person community.
- an honest way to provide for ourselves and our family. ("Honest" meaning that the work you do is somehow constructive.)
- a way to apply ourselves with our head and hands. This could be working on old cars, gardening, whatever.
- spiritual growth, and some way to participate in our past, and cultural history and observances.
The fewer those buckets are filled, the more unfulfilled we're going to be.
In other words, I don't know about its theological grounding, but in practice I think his basic concept is irrefutably correct.
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@Jolly said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
So, that's where I think our friend may be wrong. He'd make a good Greek Orthodox, though.
Well, a little background on this guy: he's a wrangler. Not a cowboy who dabbles in the off-season, he's full-time. So he travels. All the time, everywhere. Which means he doesn't go to the same church every day. His view of denominations is very different.
I can't speak to the theology. But from a practical standpoint of how humans work, I think he's got the right idea. We're thinking, social creatures. We need a handful of buckets to be filled to live a fulfilling life. This is a sloppily defined list but I hope it gets my idea across. It's roughly something like:
- family and friends. Some kind of in-person community.
- an honest way to provide for ourselves and our family. ("Honest" meaning that the work you do is somehow constructive.)
- a way to apply ourselves with our head and hands. This could be working on old cars, gardening, whatever.
- spiritual growth, and some way to participate in our past, and cultural history and observances.
The fewer those buckets are filled, the more unfulfilled we're going to be.
In other words, I don't know about its theological grounding, but in practice I think his basic concept is irrefutably correct.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
@Jolly said in The most Jollyesque video of all time:
So, that's where I think our friend may be wrong. He'd make a good Greek Orthodox, though.
Well, a little background on this guy: he's a wrangler. Not a cowboy who dabbles in the off-season, he's full-time. So he travels. All the time, everywhere. Which means he doesn't go to the same church every day. His view of denominations is very different.
I can't speak to the theology. But from a practical standpoint of how humans work, I think he's got the right idea. We're thinking, social creatures. We need a handful of buckets to be filled to live a fulfilling life. This is a sloppily defined list but I hope it gets my idea across. It's roughly something like:
- family and friends. Some kind of in-person community.
- an honest way to provide for ourselves and our family. ("Honest" meaning that the work you do is somehow constructive.)
- a way to apply ourselves with our head and hands. This could be working on old cars, gardening, whatever.
- spiritual growth, and some way to participate in our past, and cultural history and observances.
The fewer those buckets are filled, the more unfulfilled we're going to be.
In other words, I don't know about its theological grounding, but in practice I think his basic concept is irrefutably correct.
It's theologically grounded. He mentions the Bible fairly often in his porch talks. Check out the books on his shelves. I think he is classically self-educated.
I understand his concept and agree with quite a bit of self-worth being tied to the nature of work, family and societal relationships. I'm just saying I disagree with his trichotomist thinking on body, soul and spirit.
