"It's all about ME!"

[jon-nyc]

@Mik said in "It's all about ME!":

Is there anyone who believes the Clintons did not do the same?

Yes. All of us old enough to remember them giving full support to Obama in 2008.

You could argue TR did something similar in 1912. But no modern President has done anything like this.

[Mik]

@jon-nyc Once Obama wrapped up the nomination there was no gain in it.

But as Jolly says, politics ain't beanbag. As much as I'd like to see him go away, it does not seem likely.

[Catseye3]

“It is a truism of American politics that no man who can win an election deserves to.”

Trevanian, Shibumi

[Jolly]

Possibly. In fact, probably.

[jon-nyc]

@Mik said in "It's all about ME!":

@jon-nyc Once Obama wrapped up the nomination there was no gain in it.

But as Jolly says, politics ain't beanbag. As much as I'd like to see him go away, it does not seem likely.

Right but I think that’s Bart’s point, whether he’s correct or not is another matter. But he’s basically say that if Trump loses the nomination he’ll convince his base to stay home.

And I think Barr is correct - It’s hard to imagine him losing the primary and not claiming it was rigged, which would keep a decent chunk of his base away by itself, even if he didn’t actively tell them to stay home.

[Mik]

They may be disgruntled, but I doubt many would stay home.

[George K]

@Mik said in "It's all about ME!":

They may be disgruntled, but I doubt many would stay home.

I dunno. Look at what happened in Georgia. I believe Trump's comments cost the GOP the Senate.

[Horace]

@Jolly said in "It's all about ME!":

Possibly. In fact, probably.

In evolutionary terms, being an honest and forthright person to one's core, is selectively disadvantageous for vote maximization.

[Jolly]

I think you're wrong. I don't think you really understand Trump's supporters. I don't think you ever have.

There may be a few who would stay home, but not the vast majority. Especially if the candidate had a majority of positions that aligned with their political views. And if they thought the candidate would fight for those positions.

<EDIT> I was actually trying to shovel this post in behind Jon's comment. Y'all are just too fast for me.

[Horace]

I agree it's a huge stretch to think significant numbers of Trump supporters would stay home rather than vote, if someone other than Trump were the nominee. But if one believed that most Trump voters are cultists, I suppose that would make sense.

[jon-nyc]

I doubt Barr believes that. And while he’s ABT in the primary he said if it came down to it he’d vote for Trump again in 24.

[jon-nyc]

The whole podcast is here. It’s a very wide-ranging conversation, not just about 2019-20.

https://www.honestlypod.com/podcast/episode/efe9505d/bill-barr-calls-bullsht