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Electric Car Charging Sucks

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

    We really do need something else.

    That is why I think having a standard battery pack that is easily located on every vehicle would solve the problem. But I know that there are a lot of obstacles that will not all ow this to happen..

    Pull up to the battery pack station, old battery pack out, new battery pack in, and you are on your way in the time to fill you tank with gasoline.

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    George K
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    @taiwan_girl I may be wrong here, but it is my understanding that the problem with batteries is that they lack the energy density to become easily interchangeable.

    There is lots of work being done right now to improve the energy density of a battery, but we are not there yet – not by a long shot.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Mik

      I don't much care which way they go, although I think EVs will be a fairly brief period to be replaced by hydrogen.

      Why do I not care, you ask? Because I am a bit of a Luddite. Y'all early adopters get all the bugs worked out and THEN I will consider switching.

      My friend in Texas hit a deer with his Tesla Y. It will be at the body shop for a month trying to get parts. He said there were a hundred other Teslas on their lot waiting for repair.

      AxtremusA Away
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      Axtremus
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      @Mik said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

      Why do I not care, you ask? Because I am a bit of a Luddite. Y'all early adopters get all the bugs worked out and THEN I will consider switching.

      Slow down, you want to wait for the flux capacitor.

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

        We really do need something else.

        That is why I think having a standard battery pack that is easily located on every vehicle would solve the problem. But I know that there are a lot of obstacles that will not all ow this to happen..

        Pull up to the battery pack station, old battery pack out, new battery pack in, and you are on your way in the time to fill you tank with gasoline.

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        Jolly
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        @taiwan_girl said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

        @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

        We really do need something else.

        That is why I think having a standard battery pack that is easily located on every vehicle would solve the problem. But I know that there are a lot of obstacles that will not all ow this to happen..

        Pull up to the battery pack station, old battery pack out, new battery pack in, and you are on your way in the time to fill you tank with gasoline.

        Battery packs on a Tesla weigh from close to 1000 pounds, to over 1300 pounds. Slinging around 1300 pounds ain't easy.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @taiwan_girl said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

          @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

          We really do need something else.

          That is why I think having a standard battery pack that is easily located on every vehicle would solve the problem. But I know that there are a lot of obstacles that will not all ow this to happen..

          Pull up to the battery pack station, old battery pack out, new battery pack in, and you are on your way in the time to fill you tank with gasoline.

          Battery packs on a Tesla weigh from close to 1000 pounds, to over 1300 pounds. Slinging around 1300 pounds ain't easy.

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          @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

          Battery packs on a Tesla weigh from close to 1000 pounds, to over 1300 pounds. Slinging around 1300 pounds ain't easy.

          Too lazy too look it up, but I saw a video of a large, large, automated device that would swap out the battery pack on a Tesla. Basically, it lifts the car onto its ass, pulls the pack, and installs another.

          Clever as hell, but for "I need to charge up," it's a non-starter.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Batteries aren’t the answer They’re dirty in themselves and they don’t really change how the energy is actually produced. It’s the energy production method that needs to change, not the storage

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              Batteries aren’t the answer They’re dirty in themselves and they don’t really change how the energy is actually produced. It’s the energy production method that needs to change, not the storage

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

              Batteries aren’t the answer They’re dirty in themselves and they don’t really change how the energy is actually produced. It’s the energy production method that needs to change, not the storage

              It’s both. And the charging technology. And the Software. So basically everything.

              The Brad

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

                We really do need something else.

                That is why I think having a standard battery pack that is easily located on every vehicle would solve the problem. But I know that there are a lot of obstacles that will not all ow this to happen..

                Pull up to the battery pack station, old battery pack out, new battery pack in, and you are on your way in the time to fill you tank with gasoline.

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                George K
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                @taiwan_girl said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

                That is why I think having a standard battery pack that is easily located on every vehicle would solve the problem. But I know that there are a lot of obstacles that will not all ow this to happen..

                Pull up to the battery pack station, old battery pack out, new battery pack in, and you are on your way in the time to fill you tank with gasoline.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Jolly
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                  #13

                  Link to video

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Link to video

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                    @Jolly ...

                    "Inspected by a cloud-based battery management system."

                    What's not to like?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Jolly ...

                      "Inspected by a cloud-based battery management system."

                      What's not to like?

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                      @George-K said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

                      @Jolly ...

                      "Inspected by a cloud-based battery management system."

                      What's not to like?

                      The CCP will make sure there is no unauthorized privacy invading hardware/software being attached to the battery that’s swapped into your vehicle.

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                        George K
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                        Interesting video, by the way. 3-5 minutes to swap a battery out is impressive.

                        However, I see capacity as a big problem. These batteries are large and bulky. The narrator says that the Norwegian stations hold 13 battery packs. That's not a lot. I'll bet the average gas station sees that many visits in half an hour.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          At the end of the day, whether charging at home, at a charging station or swapping out for a charged battery pack, the electricity for the batteries has to come from somewhere. Solar and wind ain't gonna do it.

                          BTW, anybody seen Greta, lately?

                          Or has the useful idiot outlived her usefulness, as Europeans contemplate a cold, dark winter?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            George K
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                            Seen on FB:

                            302081867_10221821751797424_4460150692181233158_n.jpg

                            A quick search shows that that might be an inflated price.

                            Might.

                            https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/08/heres-how-much-a-2012-chevy-volt-battery-pack-replacement-could-cost/

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Jolly
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                              That's horrible.

                              You could have a brand new crate motor put in for seven or eight grand.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                That's horrible.

                                You could have a brand new crate motor put in for seven or eight grand.

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                                George K
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                                @Jolly said in Electric Car Charging Sucks:

                                That's horrible.
                                You could have...

                                ....bought about 6,000 gallons of gasoline.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  Look on the bright side...You write very well. These guys would pay you $80K/year for your wordsmith abilities...So the web search was fruitful...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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