Wranglestar Rant
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Couple of things:
The work ethic that the boomers, Gen X, or
I had to laugh at this. He loses a shit-ton of credibility in the first 30 seconds of the video. Generation X invented the slacker culture. Because of course they did.
Look, kids aged 11 to 20 drive our culture forward because we have a youth fetish. They try to define themselves and do so loudly, because that's a big part of trying to define yourself. And everyone pays attention to these antics because they drive the culture. Then the youths get older and find a way to integrate with the rest of us. That's just the cycle.
It's important to understand that when you're talking about generational differences. They don't stay young and lazy and inexperienced etc. forever. (And from the kids' perspective, the older generations don't seem so out of touch and oblivious once the kids, too, pick up mortgages and kids of their own.)
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
I think you're right about this. Many are doing the exact same things as their parents: getting an education or getting skilled up, getting a car so they can get around, finding a place to stay on their own. Except unlike their parents, these decisions come with a ton of debt that's much harder to get out from under.
During a time when job volatility is at an all-time high and won't ever be settling back down.
So a lot of them figure, "okay fuck it, I'll play games I can win instead."
@Aqua-Letifer said in Wranglestar Rant:
Couple of things:
The work ethic that the boomers, Gen X, or
I had to laugh at this. He loses a shit-ton of credibility in the first 30 seconds of the video. Generation X invented the slacker culture. Because of course they did.
Look, kids aged 11 to 20 drive our culture forward because we have a youth fetish. They try to define themselves and do so loudly, because that's a big part of trying to define yourself. And everyone pays attention to these antics because they drive the culture. Then the youths get older and find a way to integrate with the rest of us. That's just the cycle.
It's important to understand that when you're talking about generational differences. They don't stay young and lazy and inexperienced etc. forever. (And from the kids' perspective, the older generations don't seem so out of touch and oblivious once the kids, too, pick up mortgages and kids of their own.)
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
I think you're right about this. Many are doing the exact same things as their parents: getting an education or getting skilled up, getting a car so they can get around, finding a place to stay on their own. Except unlike their parents, these decisions come with a ton of debt that's much harder to get out from under.
During a time when job volatility is at an all-time high and won't ever be settling back down.
So a lot of them figure, "okay fuck it, I'll play games I can win instead."
Besides the one sentence you didn't like, what about the rest of the video?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Wranglestar Rant:
Couple of things:
The work ethic that the boomers, Gen X, or
I had to laugh at this. He loses a shit-ton of credibility in the first 30 seconds of the video. Generation X invented the slacker culture. Because of course they did.
Look, kids aged 11 to 20 drive our culture forward because we have a youth fetish. They try to define themselves and do so loudly, because that's a big part of trying to define yourself. And everyone pays attention to these antics because they drive the culture. Then the youths get older and find a way to integrate with the rest of us. That's just the cycle.
It's important to understand that when you're talking about generational differences. They don't stay young and lazy and inexperienced etc. forever. (And from the kids' perspective, the older generations don't seem so out of touch and oblivious once the kids, too, pick up mortgages and kids of their own.)
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
I think you're right about this. Many are doing the exact same things as their parents: getting an education or getting skilled up, getting a car so they can get around, finding a place to stay on their own. Except unlike their parents, these decisions come with a ton of debt that's much harder to get out from under.
During a time when job volatility is at an all-time high and won't ever be settling back down.
So a lot of them figure, "okay fuck it, I'll play games I can win instead."
Besides the one sentence you didn't like, what about the rest of the video?
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Besides the one sentence you didn't like, what about the rest of the video?
I'm going to say some weird things, but I don't give a shit:
If you look at the typical home from the 50s, and compare it to colonial houses, Anglo-Saxon huts, shit even Egyptian slave quarters, you see the same kinda stuff: things to make and hold food, the odd trinket or bracelet that held personal value, things they received from friends or acquaintances, books (and before books you had scops, gleemen, minstrels or the equivalent thereof.)
My point is that our lives have more or less always comprised the same factors:
- family
- friends
- some kind of work we do with our mind and bodies
- personal expression
- some kind of education/cultural interaction
Family estrangement is on the rise, and part of it is due to younger people applying online thinking to the real world. If the way you solve problems is by muting or blocking people you don't want to hear from, how can you be expected to patch things up with your folks? (On the other side of things, I don't think older folks truly appreciate just how differently kids are growing up today compared to any other time. The internet is a big damn deal.)
As far as friends go, social media's great and all, but it's no substitute for sitting around a fire and bullshitting in person. But many in this generation are growing up and feeling that online relationships actually matter more than those in reality, even though the former is so much less fulfilling. (The Vanishing Neighbor and Bowling Alone are great books about this and what the consequences have been.)
As far as applying your mind and body to do some work, well, that's kind of a problem, too. At least back in the day, sure you were an indentured servant but at least you made shit. What can you say about your life today as a business analyst? What did you accomplish by 5pm? What can you point to or hold in your hands? And like the guy says in the video, to what end are you doing all this?
The lack of personal expression is a huge problem and it's driving people crazy. And they know it, too. For no practical reason at all, interest in analog photography is way up. Same for knitting/crochet/etc. Same for screen printing. Same for vinyl. Same for home brew kits. All this hipster shit is a foggy and confused attempt to get back to doing something to tangibly express yourself.
Education's still around, but it's tainted, too. In grade school, it's based on the outdated factory model, and the last thing post-secondary education will do for you is teach you to think for yourself. Depression's up, mid-life crises are up. We're not learning the right kind of lessons.
None of these five pillars are getting wiped out completely, but the quality of each of them is eroding, and many of the trappings of modern life aren't doing us any favors. No, this isn't unique to this particular generation, but I think it's pretty obvious they have it worse than others.
Being deliberate is very helpful, but you have to know to try to be a good family member, see the value of flesh-and-blood interaction, and to apply yourself to something worthwhile and tangible. Not that we should, but these things are now a lot easier to forfeit.
Hard work and what a work ethic used to get you is only part of the picture in my opinion. The guy's right but didn't zoom out nearly far enough.
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Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
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Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
You know ordinarily I think I'd hate the idea, but there's a lot to be said for pulling your head out of your ass for a time.
All the stuff I said in my above post? I try to be as deliberate as I can about those things myself. It's helped and it continues to help. Kids might not be able to diagnose some of these problems, though. I know I couldn't.
Also, I'd be absolutely shit-terrible in the military. Completely godawful. But if I were 18 today, living like we do now, such a program would probably help me, despite my total failure in it.
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Here's where I think the rant resonates...It's when he's talking about the under-forties who are staggering under student loan debt or have worked their fannies off in blue collar jobs, but it seems like for all their efforts they're not doing as well as their parents or grandparents did at the same age. The COVID lockdowns have generated different priorities among these guys...More time with family, less OT to make their boss or company rich (like the story of the young welder, who found out the company was charging $200/hr and paying him $25).
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Here's where I think the rant resonates...It's when he's talking about the under-forties who are staggering under student loan debt or have worked their fannies off in blue collar jobs, but it seems like for all their efforts they're not doing as well as their parents or grandparents did at the same age. The COVID lockdowns have generated different priorities among these guys...More time with family, less OT to make their boss or company rich (like the story of the young welder, who found out the company was charging $200/hr and paying him $25).
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
Hence you see policy proposals like:
- Raising federal minimum wage
- Mandate reporting of CEO/CxO pay to employee median pay ratio
- Billionaire taxes
- Universal basic income
- Student loan forgiveness
- Free college
Etc.
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Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
The rich and resourceful lot won’t need your carrots will simply send their kids overseas to avoid boot camp if you try to mandate it. Shared experience is good only if the masses see that all the nobles suffer like the commoners.
Most of the stuff that YouTuber complains about stem from acute wealth gap, acute concentration of wealth. Gotta to keep that wealth gap under control or you will get a revolution.
Incidentally, I wonder if he ever wonders of about how much money he makes for YouTube/Google compared to how much YouTube pays him for his content … would it be worse that the welder’s story? After all, chances are even fewer people can make a living from being a YouTuber than being a welder, and Alphabet/Google is bigger than any construction firm.
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@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Here's where I think the rant resonates...It's when he's talking about the under-forties who are staggering under student loan debt or have worked their fannies off in blue collar jobs, but it seems like for all their efforts they're not doing as well as their parents or grandparents did at the same age. The COVID lockdowns have generated different priorities among these guys...More time with family, less OT to make their boss or company rich (like the story of the young welder, who found out the company was charging $200/hr and paying him $25).
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
Hence you see policy proposals like:
- Raising federal minimum wage
- Mandate reporting of CEO/CxO pay to employee median pay ratio
- Billionaire taxes
- Universal basic income
- Student loan forgiveness
- Free college
Etc.
@Axtremus said in Wranglestar Rant:
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Here's where I think the rant resonates...It's when he's talking about the under-forties who are staggering under student loan debt or have worked their fannies off in blue collar jobs, but it seems like for all their efforts they're not doing as well as their parents or grandparents did at the same age. The COVID lockdowns have generated different priorities among these guys...More time with family, less OT to make their boss or company rich (like the story of the young welder, who found out the company was charging $200/hr and paying him $25).
Jamie Dimon made a comment the other day about Americans becoming lazy. I don't think they're lazy as much as disillusioned.
Hence you see policy proposals like:
- Raising federal minimum wage
- Mandate reporting of CEO/CxO pay to employee median pay ratio
- Billionaire taxes
- Universal basic income
- Student loan forgiveness
- Free college
Etc.
You might get #2. Might. Probably will get #1. The rest? I don't think so.
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@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
The rich and resourceful lot won’t need your carrots will simply send their kids overseas to avoid boot camp if you try to mandate it. Shared experience is good only if the masses see that all the nobles suffer like the commoners.
Most of the stuff that YouTuber complains about stem from acute wealth gap, acute concentration of wealth. Gotta to keep that wealth gap under control or you will get a revolution.
Incidentally, I wonder if he ever wonders of about how much money he makes for YouTube/Google compared to how much YouTube pays him for his content … would it be worse that the welder’s story? After all, chances are even fewer people can make a living from being a YouTuber than being a welder, and Alphabet/Google is bigger than any construction firm.
@Axtremus said in Wranglestar Rant:
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
The rich and resourceful lot won’t need your carrots will simply send their kids overseas to avoid boot camp if you try to mandate it. Shared experience is good only if the masses see that all the nobles suffer like the commoners.
Most of the stuff that YouTuber complains about stem from acute wealth gap, acute concentration of wealth. Gotta to keep that wealth gap under control or you will get a revolution.
Incidentally, I wonder if he ever wonders of about how much money he makes for YouTube/Google compared to how much YouTube pays him for his content … would it be worse that the welder’s story? After all, chances are even fewer people can make a living from being a YouTuber than being a welder, and Alphabet/Google is bigger than any construction firm.
Good. Avoid it and go to jail. Do not pass Go. Collect nothing but your felony sentence.
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Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
I think that is a good idea. I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
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@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
Ok, let's look at something...I've always been an advocate for national service, either military or something like the old WPA or other type of service. But no matter what the kids would go in, I want to see a boot camp. Tailor the camp to physical abilities, but I want to see a shared experience. I want to see a melting pot situation. I want to see kids do without social media for at least six weeks. The carrot would be free high school or college courses, with free tutors while serving thir year, or free training in skills from cooks to construction to electronics or computers.
Can national service rewire young people emotionally?
I think that is a good idea. I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
@taiwan_girl said in Wranglestar Rant:
I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
Now imagine some truly resourceful families rig the system such that their kids only go into that sort of situations with the kids from the right families.
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@taiwan_girl said in Wranglestar Rant:
I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
Now imagine some truly resourceful families rig the system such that their kids only go into that sort of situations with the kids from the right families.
@Axtremus said in Wranglestar Rant:
@taiwan_girl said in Wranglestar Rant:
I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
Now imagine some truly resourceful families rig the system such that their kids only go into that sort of situations with the kids from the right families.
Now imagine...Covers a lot of insignificant ground, doesn't it?
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@Axtremus said in Wranglestar Rant:
@taiwan_girl said in Wranglestar Rant:
I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
Now imagine some truly resourceful families rig the system such that their kids only go into that sort of situations with the kids from the right families.
Now imagine...Covers a lot of insignificant ground, doesn't it?
@Jolly said in Wranglestar Rant:
@Axtremus said in Wranglestar Rant:
@taiwan_girl said in Wranglestar Rant:
I have been in situations that were isolated in one way or another (of course not as dangerous as the military or anything like that). But, because there wasnt any "outside" distractions, we had to bond with each other. Some great memories and great life long friends were made during those times.
Now imagine some truly resourceful families rig the system such that their kids only go into that sort of situations with the kids from the right families.
Now imagine...Covers a lot of insignificant ground, doesn't it?
For Ax, yeah.
