This resonated with me.
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@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Ax, how did you hack Lufin???
I did think “Wow, this sounds pretty much like Ax” when I wrote it…
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@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
Please love yourself.
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@Horace said in This resonated with me.:
Aqua will be displeased that you had to look up bukowski.
My eye was indeed twitching.
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I've redd other short stuff by him, though I can't remember any of them now, and he struck me also. I think you would like his other work.
@Catseye3 said in This resonated with me.:
I've redd other short stuff by him, though I can't remember any of them now, and he struck me also. I think you would like his other work.
A lot of it is glamorizing loserdom—kinda like Steely Dan, but Bukowski's more hardcore about it.
Laughing Heart and Roll the Dice are masterpieces, though, and I usually hate free verse.
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@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
Do I get a prize?
Seriously? I'm not saying that we shouldn't all love each other. I'm just saying that the fact that we're all going to die someday is irrelevant to the issue... If we weren't going to die then it's okay for strife and conflict?
The Brad
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@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
Do I get a prize?
Seriously? I'm not saying that we shouldn't all love each other. I'm just saying that the fact that we're all going to die someday is irrelevant to the issue... If we weren't going to die then it's okay for strife and conflict?
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
Do I get a prize?
Seriously? I'm not saying that we shouldn't all love each other. I'm just saying that the fact that we're all going to die someday is irrelevant to the issue...
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
It only starts with holding you back, though. It also takes a lot of time to repair that damage, and more time still to catch up to where you should have been, had you learned how to love others sooner.
When you have a limited life span, wasting your time is the biggest waste there is.
It's amazing to me you can't see any of this.
If we weren't going to die then it's okay for strife and conflict?
That's the adverse of what he said. Whether or not one thing is true is independent of whether or not its adverse is true. It's equally surprising to me that you seem to have forgotten this.
Please love yourself.
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@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Aqua will be sending you your prize. It will appear to have been sent by mail, but….
In keeping with the spirit of the original post in this thread, I'd like to point out that I try like really hard not to do that kind of thing anymore. -
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Aqua will be sending you your prize. It will appear to have been sent by mail, but….
In keeping with the spirit of the original post in this thread, I'd like to point out that I try like really hard not to do that kind of thing anymore.@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Aqua will be sending you your prize. It will appear to have been sent by mail, but….
In keeping with the spirit of the original post in this thread, I'd like to point out that I try like really hard not to do that kind of thing anymore.The exception proves the rule?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Aqua will be sending you your prize. It will appear to have been sent by mail, but….
In keeping with the spirit of the original post in this thread, I'd like to point out that I try like really hard not to do that kind of thing anymore.The exception proves the rule?
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Aqua will be sending you your prize. It will appear to have been sent by mail, but….
In keeping with the spirit of the original post in this thread, I'd like to point out that I try like really hard not to do that kind of thing anymore.The exception proves the rule?
It could be that LD's confused about this message because he wasn't as much of an obnoxious ass-clown when he was younger. It's not like my opinions on the matter come from being a shining example.
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@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
Do I get a prize?
Seriously? I'm not saying that we shouldn't all love each other. I'm just saying that the fact that we're all going to die someday is irrelevant to the issue...
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
It only starts with holding you back, though. It also takes a lot of time to repair that damage, and more time still to catch up to where you should have been, had you learned how to love others sooner.
When you have a limited life span, wasting your time is the biggest waste there is.
It's amazing to me you can't see any of this.
If we weren't going to die then it's okay for strife and conflict?
That's the adverse of what he said. Whether or not one thing is true is independent of whether or not its adverse is true. It's equally surprising to me that you seem to have forgotten this.
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
It only starts with holding you back, though. It also takes a lot of time to repair that damage, and more time still to catch up to where you should have been, had you learned how to love others sooner.It's amazing to me you can't see any of this.
Troubling to clarify Bukowski's point, about the costs of not learning to love others, and following it up by sharing your amazement at your listener's stupidity kind of cancels the point, doesn't it?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
It only starts with holding you back, though. It also takes a lot of time to repair that damage, and more time still to catch up to where you should have been, had you learned how to love others sooner.It's amazing to me you can't see any of this.
Troubling to clarify Bukowski's point, about the costs of not learning to love others, and following it up by sharing your amazement at your listener's stupidity kind of cancels the point, doesn't it?
@Catseye3 said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
It only starts with holding you back, though. It also takes a lot of time to repair that damage, and more time still to catch up to where you should have been, had you learned how to love others sooner.It's amazing to me you can't see any of this.
Troubling to clarify Bukowski's point, about the costs of not learning to love others, and following it up by sharing your amazement at your listener's stupidity kind of cancels the point, doesn't it?
Read my post to Mik just above your own.
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Saw this in a cemetery once
"What you are
I once was
What I am
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@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Mik said in This resonated with me.:
Especially the part about trivialities.
Although I had to look up Bukowski to make sure he wasn't a serial killer.
Why? I fail to see the connection. We all breathe air, therefore we should all love each other? Why not hate each other? It's no less valid a philosophy than love...
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for loving my fellow man, but not simply because we're all going to die. That's no justification in my mind.
Congratulations, that's officially the stupidest thing I'll read all day. And I'm going to be in marketing meetings so that's really saying something.
Do I get a prize?
Seriously? I'm not saying that we shouldn't all love each other. I'm just saying that the fact that we're all going to die someday is irrelevant to the issue...
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
It only starts with holding you back, though. It also takes a lot of time to repair that damage, and more time still to catch up to where you should have been, had you learned how to love others sooner.
When you have a limited life span, wasting your time is the biggest waste there is.
It's amazing to me you can't see any of this.
If we weren't going to die then it's okay for strife and conflict?
That's the adverse of what he said. Whether or not one thing is true is independent of whether or not its adverse is true. It's equally surprising to me that you seem to have forgotten this.
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
The Brad
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@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
If you're struggling to even understand what not living forever has to do with the importance of loving others, then yes, I'd start with the selfish reasons before we try to tackle broader implications.
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@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
If you're struggling to even understand what not living forever has to do with the importance of loving others, then yes, I'd start with the selfish reasons before we try to tackle broader implications.
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
If you're struggling to even understand what not living forever has to do with the importance of loving others, then yes, I'd start with the selfish reasons before we try to tackle broader implications.
Then that's not love.... That's treating people well from a sense of motivated self-interest.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
If you're struggling to even understand what not living forever has to do with the importance of loving others, then yes, I'd start with the selfish reasons before we try to tackle broader implications.
Then that's not love.... That's treating people well from a sense of motivated self-interest.
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
If you're struggling to even understand what not living forever has to do with the importance of loving others, then yes, I'd start with the selfish reasons before we try to tackle broader implications.
Then that's not love.... That's treating people well from a sense of motivated self-interest.
It might be possible that your definition of love is more informed by feminist grocery store paperbacks than my own, I'm not sure.
I take the Greek view of love in that it's an inherent good. That is to say its very existence is better for all involved. So loving others is good for you and good for me.
That's not to say it isn't without a great deal of personal sacrifice. Carton's sacrifice at the end of A Tale of Two Cities is a pretty good example of this. Sure, he loses his life, but he's protecting good people and ensuring they get to live on. Not only that, but in so doing, he participates directly in perpetuating the best of his society's values and therefore makes his life meaningful. Losing your life is small potatoes in comparison.
Virtues like love elevate the rest of us, and bring reality into better alignment. Which, yes, is good for you, too. If it wasn't, it'd never have gotten off the ground to begin with.
But everyone at least understands self interest, so that's where I started.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in This resonated with me.:
Not learning how to love others makes every aspect of your life worse. Not just in a metaphysical, theoretical sense. It makes people want to avoid you, it limits your opportunities, both in terms of understanding yourself (which is essential to solve higher order problems, whose solutions provide greater rewards) and in understanding others (which leads to others being more willing to work with and be around you), and ultimately brings no satisfaction in the end. All it does is hold you back: personally, professionally, spiritually.
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
@LuFins-Dad said in This resonated with me.:
Oh, so I should love others for selfish reasons?
It is not possible to love anyone else more than you love yourself. So, yes.
