Robert E Lee
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Dwight D. Eisenhower kept a picture of Robert E. Lee in the Oval Office.
https://www.civilwarprofiles.com/dwight-d-eisenhower-in-defense-of-robert-e-lee/
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I am not exaggerating when I state that many of my customers are named Lee. I would ask their opinion, but that might be inconsiderate.
Mao got rid of all that ancient stuff in China. I suppose if you consider Mao a great leader, you do the same thing, right? I mean, the example has to come from somewhere.
IMO remove it, but find a place e.g., a museum. It is part of history, and history should not always be whitewashed.
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@Axtremus said in Robert E Lee:
@Larry said in Robert E Lee:
While you are at it, don’t forget the secret police.
Why am I not surprised that you can't see the difference.
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@bachophile said in Robert E Lee:
Been some mighty good fighting men that toted that flag. Honorable men.
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Possibly Ax wasn't speaking of secret police in comparison to Gen. Lee, but as a separate entity, and it was y'all who missed his point.
Which not for nuttin happens quite a lot.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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Possibly Ax wasn't speaking of secret police in comparison to Gen. Lee, but as a separate entity, and it was y'all who missed his point.
Which not for nuttin happens quite a lot.
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It was probably a good move by the US Marine Corps. I think it is true (from what little I know) that the Confederate Flag has been "co-opted by extremist groups".
As Jolly said, I am sure that there were many good people that fought who were Confederate, but that was 160 years ago! Nobody today has any memory or direct involvement in the US Civil War. I know some people say that "I am honoring my great great great grandfather, etc.", but I am sure there much better ways to do so.
For example, What are you doing to honor your great grandfather? He was a shoemaker who lived in the state of New York. How do you honor him?
It reminds me of a one cartoon when the US was in Iraq. A US soldier was riding with an Iraq soldier. They were passing through a village and the Iraq soldier mentioned he hated the people who lived in this village because they had fought his relatives. The US soldier says, "wow, when did this happen?" And the Iraq soldier says, "1534!!"
History is important and I love history and there are certainly ways to honor and remember history (like statues, memorials, museums, books, etc).
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TG, I must disagree. You may be right about the Confederate Flag being co-opted in some way and I'm just unaware, but it also represents a prominent part of American history, and to disappear all traces of the South's role in the war sits badly with me. It is like enacting a real-life version of "pix or it didn't happen". Plus these removals attempt to lay a sense of shame over the South that is undeserved. Both sides fought with conviction and honor.
And we need to retain the dreadful lessons learned. 160 years is not that long ago.
My impression on this question is much influenced by emotion, I'll admit.
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It was probably a good move by the US Marine Corps. I think it is true (from what little I know) that the Confederate Flag has been "co-opted by extremist groups".
As Jolly said, I am sure that there were many good people that fought who were Confederate, but that was 160 years ago! Nobody today has any memory or direct involvement in the US Civil War. I know some people say that "I am honoring my great great great grandfather, etc.", but I am sure there much better ways to do so.
For example, What are you doing to honor your great grandfather? He was a shoemaker who lived in the state of New York. How do you honor him?
It reminds me of a one cartoon when the US was in Iraq. A US soldier was riding with an Iraq soldier. They were passing through a village and the Iraq soldier mentioned he hated the people who lived in this village because they had fought his relatives. The US soldier says, "wow, when did this happen?" And the Iraq soldier says, "1534!!"
History is important and I love history and there are certainly ways to honor and remember history (like statues, memorials, museums, books, etc).
@taiwan_girl said in Robert E Lee:
I think it is true (from what little I know) that the Confederate Flag has been "co-opted by extremist groups".
You know that in the same way you know that American white cops murder black people on the regular.
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Southern soldiers were treated as veterans after the war, and no small part of that decision was to rebuild and mend the rift between the north and the south. And you can say a lot of things about Mandella but he understood that idea too.
Want to move forward? Don't kick sand in the eyes of the losers if you have to live with them. Nevermind rewriting history, it's a bad idea for the future.
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The British version on removing pro-slavery statue:
George Floyd death: Protesters tear down slave trader statue
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305
